Leak Buster confirms what I already suspected. I am completing from the small blind wayyyy too much in these limpy pots, especially in tournaments. It has become almost an automatic habit I think and I know that I almost always check fold so it is just such a waste. I am generally tight and disciplined from other positions but this is just a weird tic I seem to have.

Anyone else have this problem and get over it?

Your pot odds after most of the table limps is usually way to good to just fold the SB. When for example 4 ppl call before you, your essentially getting basically 11/1 to just complete and especially when you believe that the BB is checking, your always getting the odds. However, you are bringing up a good point when dealing with tournaments because your inherent value in your chips is vastly more important than in a cash game. Although if your still getting crazy odds like this in a weak passive tournament table, I'm still calling. It is definitely something to consider however if your completeling from the SB when there is only 1 limper or so. Need to either 3bet or fold with certain hand rand ranges and situations.

It's not that bad in cash games if you have a decent postflop edge. And if there are multiple limps by the time it comes around to the SB yeah there's a pretty good chance you have a decent postflop edge. Also helps inflate your VPIP at a discount.

Ok, this is helpful. Any ideas on how to really analyze whether I am burning money or not? It seems like I am completing with "awesome pot odds" and then check/folding so often that it can't be worth it. But maybe it is? I'm not that great with Hold 'Em Manager, so maybe I should figure out a way to really look at what is going on? Leak Buster says that I get like a D for my small blind play which was surprising.

Well pretty much never do it in tourneys for a start.

The exception would be if stacks are fairly deep and your hand hits monsters, like a suited ace or a pocket pair. I find it looks pretty tempting to limp with like 8Ts or QJ but too often you're OOP with a lame top pair or meh draw, it just isn't worth it IMO.

Umm, please never fold T8s or QJ from the small blind when even one player has limped.

And there will still be plenty of spots to complete sb in tourneys.

This really isn't a big leak, op. So long as you aren't losing a bunch of money every time you hit 3rd pair or a gut shot. With 2 mp limpers, I'd complete sb with anything suited, remotely connected or decent high card value.

If your sb play is hurting its likely when facing co or btn raises and hu vs bb.

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I really hope the OP is talking about limping 36o or the like. 8Ts or QJo are never a fold there.

Ok, I need to look more into this now that I've started thinking about it. I'm pretty that I usually auto-pilot and if the blinds are reasonable and I see more than 1 limper and a non-aggro bb I think I usually call with anything suited, and two cards higher than like 7 and all broadway cards (again, I have to look a little more at the issue before I can say for sure).

I never really thought about it but I ran leak buster for some random reason and the only real negative positional commentary was small blind play (and a little big blind over mashing but I'm okay with that). Should I even give a crap about what that says? I was kind of just screwing around when I ran it.

Also, I think the time I lose money is when I call with J7 suited, for example, flop a jack, lead out, get called, check fold the turn. I feel like that is probably an issue.

Oh finally, I think a lot of the time when I flop a draw I still check fold to any real pressure because I hate playing out of position so I don't even know what the value is of calling with crappy draw hands.

Seems that your potential SB leaks are more post-flop than pre-flop.

I'm not too familiar with leak buster but I don't think that it differentiates when you complete HU or 3 way compared to 4+ limpers already in the pot.

If you play very low stakes where games are loose passive, many more 'good' opportunities will come up to complete whereas the higher up you go, those spots rarely come up.

I'm a PT3 user currently thinking of switching to HM2 but have only played with it a bit. Not sure how the filters work in HM2 or HM1 yet but I do know that you can filter for hands where you did complete. If you're winning money in that situation then you probably don't have much to worry about, though it would be worth looking deeper to see if there are any hand groupings that are costing you money over a good sized sample.

You should also look for more spots to raise as well. Often times ( villain dependant ofc) you can get 3 limpers + the big blind to fold and take it HU against a huge fish with stuff like KJ and AT etc. Thats probably more for cash games though and I'd suspect that tournaments would require you to be more conservative.

Donking top pair then c/f turn is generally bad.

You can't just fold good draws. I'd look into getting aggressive with non-show downable draws.

If you rarely donk bet (or lead out) in this spot it will be a lot easier to play your hands well. c/r your value more often and c/r some draws.

Not to get into semantics but am I really "donking" when I lead out into an unraised pot? I c/f turn a lot when I get more than one caller and some one else bets out after I check. Should I really be two and three barrelling in pots like these? It feels unneccesary and unprofitable to play too many bloated pots out of position with top pair weak kicker. I know I would need to post HH to really get into the types of spots but I feel like giving up is a viable option a lot of these times.

I guess I could get more aggressive with my draws out of position but that has lead to problems in the past, still looking to strike the balance I guess.

I like this, but a lot of the time my thinking on leading out with a pair is that I am probably good at that point but I don't want to give away a free card. But again, I think that is good.

Thanks. I definitely need to figure out the software better. Guess I was hoping someone would post some nice cliffs notes here for me.

I definitely look for spots to raise limpers but I'm always a little leery from the SB. I punish limpers mercilessly from the button but when I raise from the sb and get like 4 fish along for the ride it often turns into a huge **** show. I am speaking more about low buy-in online tournaments. Usually during live play these things work out a lot better in my experience.

I meant to say "leading out" but it has similar negative affects as donk betting. Obviously there will still be times you bet when first to act, but these should generally be hands you want to bet 2-3 streets for value or bluff 2-3 streets. If you're gonna give up on the turn a lot, the hand probably should have been a c/c.