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05-25-2017 , 11:59 PM
I am watching Andrew "balugawhale" Seidman's 3-bet Seminar and I am having trouble grasping his explanation for a wide 3-bet range against a Good Aggressive player. His explanation is around 25:30. If any one could help me understand the Any-Two-Card Caveat it would be very helpful. Any advice or ideas appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36BqZPnztNM




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05-26-2017 , 10:57 AM
Without listening to it all, and also assuming it's a bit out of date (people flat 3-bets a lot more than they used to, where it was a kind of taboo to flat 3-bets OOP in the past), I think all he's saying is that if your opponents rarely flat then 72o is essentially as good as AQ (because your opponent either jams or folds and you aren't calling AQ anyway). However, in the instance that your opponent does flat, it's far better to have a playable hand than complete trash.

One thing it does miss is the concept of blockers e.g. when I hold a hand like AJ my opponent is less likely to have AA/AK/JJ, while if I hold 72o he can have all of those combinations.

Edit: And also he's saying that you should be more inclined to 3-bet bluff with hands that can't profitably call. So you might as well call with AQs, and 3-bet a hand like KTs that's less happy post-flop.

Last edited by Bladesman87; 05-26-2017 at 11:04 AM.
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05-26-2017 , 11:43 AM
I was actually expecting it to just be completely wrong, but its actually exactly right, but maybe a little prone to being misunderstood. Its really only valid for a specific type of poker, mainly online 6max NLHE, mostly mid or mid/high stakes. You'll have a lot of players grinding 6-10 tables, and typically unknown or fishy players won't 3bet enough, so the grinder treats those 3bets with respect, and due to the mass tables, generally plays it the easy way to cut down on concentration cost and just folds marginal hands right away, especially out of position. So you can 3bet a lot of garbage vs those players until they catch on and are forced to start flatting. Its not something that is true at all for live poker or low stakes micros, as seemingly good players are still flatting a lot right away.

Its important to reiterate that this is just a temporary strategy. Once your opponents realize that you're capable of 3betting light, they'll adjust, and then you re-adjust by cutting out your light 3bets while 3betting more thinly for value (AQ, 99, etc..). So both players essentially move more toward proper strategy.
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05-26-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
I was actually expecting it to just be completely wrong, but its actually exactly right, but maybe a little prone to being misunderstood. Its really only valid for a specific type of poker, mainly online 6max NLHE, mostly mid or mid/high stakes. You'll have a lot of players grinding 6-10 tables, and typically unknown or fishy players won't 3bet enough, so the grinder treats those 3bets with respect, and due to the mass tables, generally plays it the easy way to cut down on concentration cost and just folds marginal hands right away, especially out of position. So you can 3bet a lot of garbage vs those players until they catch on and are forced to start flatting. Its not something that is true at all for live poker or low stakes micros, as seemingly good players are still flatting a lot right away.

Its important to reiterate that this is just a temporary strategy. Once your opponents realize that you're capable of 3betting light, they'll adjust, and then you re-adjust by cutting out your light 3bets while 3betting more thinly for value (AQ, 99, etc..). So both players essentially move more toward proper strategy.


Thank you, that makes a lot of sense.
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05-26-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Without listening to it all, and also assuming it's a bit out of date (people flat 3-bets a lot more than they used to, where it was a kind of taboo to flat 3-bets OOP in the past), I think all he's saying is that if your opponents rarely flat then 72o is essentially as good as AQ (because your opponent either jams or folds and you aren't calling AQ anyway). However, in the instance that your opponent does flat, it's far better to have a playable hand than complete trash.

One thing it does miss is the concept of blockers e.g. when I hold a hand like AJ my opponent is less likely to have AA/AK/JJ, while if I hold 72o he can have all of those combinations.

Edit: And also he's saying that you should be more inclined to 3-bet bluff with hands that can't profitably call. So you might as well call with AQs, and 3-bet a hand like KTs that's less happy post-flop.


Thank you, that was very helpful.
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