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08-05-2017 , 04:42 PM

PokerGeekboy

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How do you guys adjust your default opening range when your 9 handed table currently only has 7 or 8 players?

I take out a "utg seat " if there is a player missing . So if there are only 7 players and I'm left of the BB then I play my default utg+2 opening range.

So I for a 7 handed table I would assume the table would seat: button, sb, bb, utg+2, lo jack, hi jack, cutoff.

How do you guys adjust your range during shorthanded play?

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08-07-2017 , 04:10 PM

robert_utk

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Your adjustments seem spot on to me.

But then when I play 6 handed my UTG is still narrower than my MP1 in 9 handed.

So maybe I should loosen up a bit!

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08-09-2017 , 01:06 PM

Bob148

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The only concern I have here is in tourneys, where the blinds and antes may make it necessary to play some hands that I would otherwise fold if there were more free hands coming.

For all other situations, I just count how many places away from the button I am and I decide if my hand fits into a decent opening range from that position. So in a full stacked cashgame I don't care if I'm five spots off the button either in a 7 handed game or a 10 handed game; it's the same position.

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08-09-2017 , 02:28 PM

just_grindin

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+1. @OP you just have to adjust for limpers. If you are 5 off the button but happen to be UTG you could open the same range as 5 off the button sitting at MP1 and no limpers.

Opening is all about how many players behind you need to fold out.

Edit: Opening is all about how many players you need to fold out which is why you should adjust for limpers.

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08-09-2017 , 03:31 PM

PokerGeekboy

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Yea counting back from the button is good idea. That's why I like using the names lojack and utg+2 instead of mp1 and mp2. Too vague. You could ask some people what seat back from the button mp1 is and you'll get a few different answers...

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08-09-2017 , 03:35 PM

Bob148

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When I was memorizing standard ranges for limit holdem, I made flashcards with the hand on one side and the earliest position that I'd open that hand from on the other side. I found it cumbersome to write all the different positions almost immediately so instead I used this form:

button = 1
cutoff = 2
hijack = 3
next = 4

etc.

So now when I'm playing, I just look at the button and count the positions and I can instantly spit out my standard range from that spot and any potential exploits based on the tendencies of the players behind me.

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08-10-2017 , 05:47 PM

Corpsey

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Do we ever consider card removal effects when playing UTG in 6-max and just treating it as the same range as if we are 9-max and the first 3 guys to act have folded to us? Potentially, there's a higher chance that others behind might have very slightly better hands (in the 9-max spot) but is the overall effect of it so negligible it's not worth considering?

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08-10-2017 , 05:49 PM

just_grindin

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Correct. Negligible effect.

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08-10-2017 , 05:54 PM

Bob148

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If there's a difference in profitability it's much more negligible than the rake. Any change in the proper opening range it's going to be a relatively small delta compared with other variables such as players tendencies and potential exploits.

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