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[3Betting Theory] Which changes when depht [3Betting Theory] Which changes when depht

10-14-2016 , 08:59 PM
Hello guys, i always knew that in case of deepness (150x+) positions are more valuable so it's racommended to 3bet less OOP, not polarized, and more IP to make hard life vs Villain with him OOP.
Recently i have read that vs some position (like blinds vs BTN) it's important to keep 3betting frequently to defends vs late positions correct; the position is less important cause his calling range becames weaker.
I want to know when we are >=150bb in 3betting range what changes we should do about sizing, frequency IP/OOP, range IP/OOP (better to have more linear depol. instead of pol.?).
Thanks.

Sorry for crossposting; didn't know this section before.
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10-15-2016 , 09:47 AM
With a bigger stack to lose when deep stacked, I like to call more in position and I 3 bet less often. When out of position this is even more apparent in my strategy.

I use pot sized raises unless the spr gets really low but that's not really applicable to the discussion of deep stacked play.

Take the extreme examples and you'll see what I mean. If co raises 3x preflop and I'm on the button with 10 big blinds, I'm shoving many more combos than I would 3 bet if I had 150 big blinds. In the former, the blinds and antes make up a much larger fraction of the pot. In the latter, the blinds and antes are rather insignificant. Getting the blinds out of the pot is a priority when short stacked while protecting your stack becomes a priority when deep stacked.
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10-16-2016 , 04:51 PM
You shouldn't 3bet less when comparing > 100bb stacks to 100bb stacks when in position Bob.
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10-16-2016 , 05:30 PM
You 3 bet the same range button vs cutoff with both a 100 big blind stack and a 150 big blind stack? Seems like a mistake to me.
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10-16-2016 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
You 3 bet the same range button vs cutoff with both a 100 big blind stack and a 150 big blind stack? Seems like a mistake to me.
I didn't say that. I'm saying don't 3-bet less.
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10-16-2016 , 06:06 PM
Sorry I'm not getting it. Either you 3 bet less, more, or the same no matter your stack. More seems like a reverse implied odds nightmare.
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10-16-2016 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Sorry I'm not getting it. Either you 3 bet less, more, or the same no matter your stack. More seems like a reverse implied odds nightmare.
3b more in position as stacks get deeper, generally speaking, yes. Do not 3b less. Especially vs. all the morons online that can't play deep to save their life. Huge EV edge deep.

Shoving is a different scenario and probably shouldn't have been used as an example.
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10-16-2016 , 07:59 PM
Ok. What about vs good players?
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10-19-2016 , 12:13 AM
You probably can 3-bet more when stacks are deeper because your opponent will be happier calling with speculative hands. I don't think I change the frequency of 3-betting that much though to be honest. It doesn't make that big of a difference. If I was playing 1000BBs and 200BBs my ranges are going to be pretty much exactly the same.

I know at 50BBs I 3-bet less, because people are more likely to gamble with a smaller stack.
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