100% Preflop Aces Win! Possible? - Page 3 - Poker Theory

R Gibert · 08-10-2012, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Mayor

I think it something like this:

Hero: AcAs

Villains:

AhAd
KcKs
2c2s
3c3s
4c4s
5c5s
6c6s
7c7s
8c8s
JdTd

Or something along those lines. Carplayer's hand calculator says that Hero is 0.10% to win it all and 4.34% to chop.

Notably, JTs is actually in lead against the entire field and 88 is the next best.

That's still 2.27% equity. How about 0.792% equity with AA?

Code:

201,376  games     0.005 secs    40,275,200  games/sec

Board: 
Dead:  

         equity    win     tie   pots won  pots tied 
Hand 0:  00.792%  00.78%  00.02%    1561     33.63   { AcAs }
Hand 1:  16.709%  16.71%  00.00%   33648      0.30   { KcKs }
Hand 2:  13.364%  13.36%  00.00%   26911      0.30   { QcQs }
Hand 3:  10.694%  10.69%  00.00%   21534      0.30   { JcJs }
Hand 4:  07.318%  07.32%  00.00%   14737      0.30   { 9c9s }
Hand 5:  16.221%  16.22%  00.00%   32664      0.30   { 8h7h }
Hand 6:  18.906%  18.91%  00.00%   38072      0.30   { 6d5d }
Hand 7:  03.992%  03.98%  00.02%    8006     33.63   { Ad3s }
Hand 8:  03.342%  03.33%  00.02%    6696     33.63   { Ah2c }
Hand 9:  08.663%  08.66%  00.00%   17444      0.30   { TcTs }

BlackLoter · 08-10-2012, 10:15 AM

It's not possible for AA to have 100% equity against at most 9 players preflop.
First of all there should be no 4 flush board possible in the other 2 suits. To do that we need to take 10 cards out of the deck for each suit, totalling 20 cards, ie 10 other players. (But we'd still be very far cause we'd need to take out all the set/trips chances).
If you let no other player have a different suit you can't outrule sets/trips/straights)

weaselgirl · 08-10-2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vezmus

AA
AA
TT
TT
99
99
66
66
55
55

The aces are 100% to split here.

What about flushes though? What am I missing?

edit: Yup, looks like stove agrees. 3.44% to win, 96.56% to tie.

BlackLoter · 08-11-2012, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weaselgirl

What about flushes though? What am I missing?

edit: Yup, looks like stove agrees. 3.44% to win, 96.56% to tie.

One of the 2 aces hand is going to win if there are flushes, obv each of them has exactly 50% equity

DCSW7 · 08-12-2012, 10:41 AM

As the other two aces will always have 4 card flush/quads with Ace high possibilities, I think this is as close as you can get ten handed...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=7161601

Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 197680 98.16 3472 1.72 224 0.11 0.982
Ac 9h 1736 0.86 199416 99.03 224 0.11 0.009
As 9d 1736 0.86 199416 99.03 224 0.11 0.009
Td Th 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
Ts Tc 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
9s 9c 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
5d 5h 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
5s 5c 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
4d 4h 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
4s 4c 0 0.00 201376 100.00 0 0.00 0.000

R Gibert · 08-12-2012, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCSW7

As the other two aces will always have 4 card flush/quads with Ace high possibilities, I think this is as close as you can get ten handed...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=7161601

Code:

Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards     win   %win    lose   %lose  tie  %tie     EV
Ad Ah  197680  98.16    3472    1.72  224  0.11  0.982
Ac 9h    1736   0.86  199416   99.03  224  0.11  0.009
As 9d    1736   0.86  199416   99.03  224  0.11  0.009
Td Th       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000
Ts Tc       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000
9s 9c       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000
5d 5h       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000
5s 5c       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000
4d 4h       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000
4s 4c       0   0.00  201376  100.00    0  0.00  0.000

This is effectively duplicated what I posted in post #30. The difference is, I have four T5o hands and you separated these into 4 pocket pairs. This makes no difference in the outcome.

Lamirp · 08-12-2012, 11:42 PM

AA then turn the T5s into two A6 and two J6 instead, two J5s, two T5, TT..

you gain a small percentage against the above post im sure