I'm almost certain, that they reset to 0, so you should spend them. Of course your J gear so you should be vip to RPMSeth/Jon someone and ask them.

It's very close, I guess for me it depends on the value of the vip points at 0% then it is no brainer, at 100% (I'm not that good then, using them at tourney's is best). I'm J gear, might switch .. love the daily money's .. but getting to Q gear faster and 1000 bonus is already in the que. Wish I knew we get double points for 6 months .. very very close.

nice spread for reviewing anyone's situation.

I talked to jon he said spend them or lose them. I hate tourneys...

now that there running the double VIP program where you can do it daily if you play 200 sit and goes, is it now profitable if you switch at gear 10?

correct me if im wrong please (AT gear 10)
hypothetically lets say you rake 100$ daily (WITH DOUBLE VIP day)
thats 2000 points which exchanges into 50$
and since every 75 VIP point exchanges into a dollar
thats 26.66%

so 76.66% rakeback daily

where as to regular rake back
with the 100$ daily rake
you get 35$ from rakeback of the 100
thats 1350 VIP points since RB takes off 35% of it
which unlocks 18$ of your bonus money
1350 VIP points= 13.50$

so thats 66.5% rakeback daily and you'd have to exchange the VIP points to enter tournaments, where as the VIP gear you exchange it for cash.

^^^ but promos come and go, unless you can hit J gear by December, though with the figures you quote .. 100 daily, gets you there if your 20k or more. I switched J gear as it is mostly a less than rakeback but I can get to Q gear 35% faster and have a 1k bonus stacked to work off. By feb, I'm close to Q gear and back to 35% rakeback. Though it hurts the roll with monthly rakeback vs daily rakeback. I run a small bankroll, so busto can happen but DOJ can't screw me.

For those that play the double game, if you convert do it before you get big double payment of points that way you get rakeback + double 6.75 when you convert and convert at 0 points.

Ahh i see, so it seems as if J gear is a instant switch this month and 10 is borderline depending on how much you can grind.

I don't completely understand what youre saying at the second part.

Just the timing of the switch can matter if you are getting double points from wed and fri promo. Your points reset to 0, but if you get paid double points in the future these count for your vip to cash conversion under no rakeback. I lucked into it, thanks RPMJon and RPMSeth .. basically 6 extra bucks for the points when I redeem.

If your a super grinder watch that you don't generate too many points in a month. Such as J gear you get only 3 conversions for 5k points in the month. If you earn 30k in a month then some will be at < 30% conversion. Though you will hit Q gear quicker. I only do about 12k points per month so J gear works fine for me.

haha ohh.. i now understand what your saying, becasue i recently started grinding a lot and now i already can foresee ima be stuck a lot of points but i still want to hit the highest gear ASAP i guess its more a long term investment type of thing w/ the double VIP.

T gear is actually only 38.33% with a bonus.. without the bonus it's 25% cashback.. The bonus adds 13%~ for VIP. I actually had it wrong it my first post and I will switch it. You should possibly switch at Q gear instead of J gear. My first calculations were incorrect. (I did correct the spreadsheet but will edit my post if I can.)

is vip system > 35% rakeback?

See thread, but the answer is no, unless you have bonuses, play on double point days, double point days continue in the future can keep bonuses going in the future then J gear might work or Q gear is perfect LDO.

Has anybody done a comparison between Lock/RPM/Carbon in terms of comparing VIP programs? I cant seem to find one but I suck at searching on this site.

I would love a Microbob explains all and tells me where to play poker post. I rake $3k/mo on Carbon and get about 50% depending on if I hit the double points day hard or not. Should I be playing somewhere else? Thanks in advance. I'm trying to read through these posts but I'm confused and tired. I'm sure its right in front of my face.

I don't know if a comparison chart exists, but there's a thread in the Lock forum that gives information about how they compare to RPM.

It sounds as if you need to be raked at $5000 a month to hit the top tier at Lock.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...l#post30469428

If you find a Microbob-style post, please link it here.

Will you move up tiers daily as you clear them? For example, if I rake 200/day starting Jan 1 for 5 days I'll have 10,000 points by the 5th. Will that mean that beginning on the 6th and until I get to the top I will be getting 30% daily back, or am I stuck the whole month at the lowest level until Feb 1?

I am currently getting 35% RB with carbon. I joined RPM exactly one week ago and just got to gear 9 (this was an avg week so im assuming i make about 5k points a week). Im assuming that its worth it for me to leave carbon and my 35%, no? also being that i got on so late in the year should i finish the year with carbon and then start with rpm in the new year since my vip level will reset im assuming? Or is it worth it to try to make the "overdrive club" this month? thanks in advance

The VIP levels do not reset, your levels are based on the points earned over your lifetime.

So once you hit A gear youre there for life?

I'm in your boat. With Carbon I know I'll get 45% (10% from points) or 55% on Monday/Tuesday double days. They said they are coming out with a few more things for Ether though.

The problem with RPM, from what I see, is you will be getting <45% for a while while you move up. They have a lot of other promos going but I hate to bank on them because they can come and go.

Wheres the FPPPro page for Merge?? Haha.

There is a "decay period" where you lose pts for inactivity. Check the site for the specifics, I don't believe it's anything significant or hard to perpetually avoid.

For the uber grinders remember as you grind up only 3 converts per month at the top level. Ex: J gear 30% 5000 pts = 150 but max 3 per month so if you create > 15000 pts per month you will need to save to Q gear or take less %. With double point days ect you can hit these levels. Also if you grind up fast, you will wind up with extra points. Tourneys only 10% value, so not real valuable. I do 1200 rake so its my sweat spot but just be aware for 2k or 3k rakers per month.

Once at Q gear your much better to > 3k rake.

How much are you guys raking per hour at given stakes/tables?

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If there is anyone that has some idea of what I could be making in RB which I do have if I were playing 35k hands a month at 6max 1/2FL with a VPIP of 20%....any info, math formulas, or good educated guesses are greatly appreciated...

I play 6max, some FR when the BBJ is good like now, so this is a mixture of .5/1 and 1/2 FL games ..

Rake runs around 3.75BB/100 Assume you know Big Bet .. so that math would be 350 sets of 100 * 3.75BB ($4) = $2625 ..

You will have to play 6max to grind a lot of hands or play BBJ tables some that can be really bad for grinding. I vpip 29/24 .. so above your vpip but in neighborhood and this is WCR for all calcs ..

For rakeback you can take 2625 * .35 (basic rakeback) = $918.

If you can get a bonus you can add $10 per $115 raked. 8% more that moves you up to 43% .. = 1128. Plus 17K vip points for tourney's. These can give you additional returns if you can play NL mtt at some small ROI. I used about .5 per $ invested. That brings in $85 more.

So total .. around $1200 per month. Games are tough though, not to mention getting money off. GL, and see ya on my left.

Wow thanks Dmyers appreciate your time and efforts for sure, that is geat that you did that for me Thanks.

I think Ive traded with you before, glad to see you have gotten a new dog and such, happy new year....

so what do double points do for rakeback players?