The new normal is NL25 and NL50 players being "higher" stakes.

The second I saw this months promos the first thing that went through my mind is that Merge restricted the use of skin double point days. This is an open forum and info flows in both a positive and negative way. You try to explain to the average player that double points days are awesome and at the same time some lurking Merge Exc. is like, "damn I never thought of it that way but double points is 90% RB to an Ace Gear we gotta stop that crap".

I vote for a 30 VIP per $1 clearance rate on the $200 bonus. The low stakes player get the bonus they like and the "higher" players can't complain too much if they think about it for a moment (esp. if double points isn't coming back).

Yes, that has occurred to me as well. It still stuns me that perhaps they haven't figured out some of that type of stuff ahead of time. But it's clearly true.

I also agree that NL50 may be kind of the "new" high-stakes today. But again, we are talking to players who absolutely drool for the $200 bonus stuff. In order for these players to even get halfway through the bonus before they expire they have to be giving SOME amount of play that isn't NL4 or something, right?

I barely play at all really. I am only 10-gear on RPM which I assume even some of the regular NL10 type guys are. 100 points per day for 100 days is all it takes to have gotten there by now. Not much.

I just don't see how it is realistic for many players to be in a situation where a bonus is so great for you while double points are not. I see it being far more realistic that a lot of micro players who don't understand the math think that bonuses are more valuable than they really are while also thinking double-points are less valuable for them than they really are. If you are playing enough to clear the bonus eventually then you probably would have made even more via double-points (as I said though....doing both at once is even better).

As Micro pointed out the situation sucks. And as Atisz pointed out the starting RB is horribly low.

The rake is too freaking high. We need good bottomless promos just to play. And as players we have to put the pressure on the skins because we don't have direct access to Merge.

Soooo from now on no one is alllowed to say "I like this months promos". You have to demand more.

Come to think of it, that kind of blows me away in many ways. Because on a lot of sites where points are not as valuable, the double-points days tend to be over-valued and people drool for them when it's not warranted at all. Thinking about FT where the points were worth like 3% RB or something, and people freaked out for double-points happy hours. And then wondered why Stars didn't do that as much....even though Stars points are completely different and are worth like 30-50% rakeback for some of their players.

Same kind of goes for Lock Poker today that uses a different point structure. Their points are worth 10% rakeback. They are doing double-points Thursday and Friday. And a ton of people thought that put them on a similar par with RPM. Ummm, points on RPM are worth 25% or higher for many of their players. On Lock the points are worth 10% at the most.

People thinking points across different sites are all the same...and thus double-points are all the same too...always will continue to blow me away. They pretty much DIRECTLY tell you how much the points are worth.

Bobber, you are doing the math that the people drooling over the RPM $200 bonus are playing enough to clear it, I think they aren't. For many it is a big shiny carrot but out of reach to eat in full.

I don't think most players are going to clear these $200 bonuses. With two a week they are getting them faster then they are clearing them. I also think it is criminal that RPM by default is waiting until the end of month to give out the Monday/Thursday bonus money making for a huge stack of mostly unclearable bonus money if it has an expiration date. The website clearly states something completely different....- All promotions from Saturday to Friday are processed on the following Saturday of each week.

Yup. Agreed.

I'm participating in this thread. And will likely be headed over to Lock/Cake because I know they are going to be cranking up their promos to keep their players (and try to grab more) when they leave Merge.


Attention Merge: There might actually be a little competition for your little, complacent monopoly now. Might want to step it up. I'm not really in love with Lock nor Cake and would prefer to not end up playing there. But the only way that's going to happen is if you can give me a reason to stay with Merge.

It's clear that RPM is trying to do the best they can for their players and that you guys are holding them back. You should probably stop doing that.

oh ok, just wanted to clarify that Wednesday is simply play 4k hands to get $11, and that the rest is meaningless

Just a little more complaining, the bonus clearing rates are ridiculously high. Ok, I'm not really a high volume player, I only play about 20-30 FR sng's a day. I am currently clearing my first deposit bonus, and after 2 and a half months I'm only at 11%.
$75 rake to clear $10 bonus?? It's only $50 on 888, $30 on Stars and $22.22 on Hollywoodpoker.

We are about half way through the month and I'm guessing they are starting to put the finishing touches on next months promos. I'm not sure they are going to mess with the first time deposit bonus clearance rate, but the June monthly promos could surely have a better clearnance rate. And as the monthly bonus offerings change every month if it is later deemed to good a deal they can simply not offer it again.

30 VIP per $1 Bonus clearance on June monthly promos for the win !

The bonus clear rates are set by Merge. RPM is at the lowest clear rate allowed by Merge. Now they could do it so they clear at $2 increments instead of $10. That would be better.

Yeah, there is zero chance they adjust the bonus-clear rate. they aren't allowed to.

Def agree with MB on this one. Merge bonuses are very hard to clear for micro players like myself. I received the 1500 bonus through overdrive promotion and I cleared 30 of it before it expired.

It's entirely possible that RPM's hands are being tied by merge in regards to promos, but just wanted to refute the claims by some that this months promos are all of a sudden great for micro players. Tbh pleasing everybody at the same time would be extremely difficult but decreasing the value every successive month doesnt help.

Clearing only $30 of a $1,500 bonus before it expired is what I suspect happens to a lot of first time deposit bonuses and monthly bonuses too. If the clearance rate can't be changed then we as players need to be coming up with additional promo ideas. Players need to be doing more than just giving a thumbs ups or down. Poaching ideas from other poker sites is fine, it isn't just about re-inventing the wheel. I just woke up (yeah yeah I know it's noon) but I'll think about other promos ideas.

I really don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with their promos. It seems like they're just guessing every month. It's going to get much worse when Lock leaves imo

I hope for the small chance it gets better on the logic that they need to compete. But Merge seems to be really tying their hands. Crossing fingers that the competition ends up being a good thing.

Double points promos in the VIP program were close to the main reason I ever signed up at the skin in the first place.

Right now I'm at 35% effective contriuted rakeback. That's 22% VIP + 13% bonus clearing. That's pretty meh. And the BBJ drop sucks so I play lower than those stakes typically. I'll show up a little but definitely looking for better. Software is the only thing they have going for them.

On the RPM webpage, the promo pages say...- All promotions from Saturday to Friday are processed on the following Saturday of each week.

I have chatted with support, but not received my bonus money. I have e-mail RPMJon but have not received my bonus money. I have e-mailed manager@rpm but not received my bonus money. I have received e-mails from both RPMJon and RPMSeth but what I haven't received is my ****ing bonus money. WTF.

RPMJon in this thread if you want to use the phrase "immediately credit", you might want to first understand what it means.

Oh yeah not everyone read 2+2, so saying here that it is credited at end of montrh doesn't trump what the web page says.

Upon speaking to you in live chat your bonus has been credited. I have updated the terms and conditions to reflect what has been posted in this thread. I apologize if this caused any confusion or inconvenience.

just to confirm on 2p2... i chatted with you one day about the bonuses in this month. and you told me that if i earn more than one $200 bonus, at the end of the month i can request that you make each $200 bonus separate and you dont have to stack them

That is correct.

I miss double VIP points ! bring them next month!!! maybe not everyday but at least 2 or 3

Double VIP points days has been discontinued by Merge network wide.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...7&postcount=17

It's that time of the month -- promo's I know about rake race, how about bonus, happy hours .. quads going to be a tough month until the world shakes out with the changes ..

Any update on when we get to see promo preview.

Yeah it would be great if we got to see it before midnight...

The June Promotions are being added to the website within the next hour or so. Stay tuned!

Wow, mega value for micro stakes grinders this month.