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03-20-2014 , 08:46 PM
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All of my comments and thoughts are in the spoiler. White to move.



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This is from a G/15'+10" I played on chess.com. I arrived at this position because I played the opening passively in a line I didn't really know. My thoughts here are that the position is relatively equal because neither side seems to have much of an advantage, but I had the hardest time coming up with moves for white. I just can't, for the life of me, come up with a constructive plan. Is this one of those positions where you just play non-losing moves and hope some sort of opportunity arises soon? What would be a constructive plan here?
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03-20-2014 , 09:43 PM
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1. Red1 to meet 1...Rd6 with 2. e4 was my first thought, but I realized seconds later that Black doesn't really want to castle kingside anyway. In light of that, the queen on a3 isn't as useful as it might superficially appear to be. 1...g5 is Black's most active plan, so we have to consider the odd-looking 1. Qc3, which makes it tactically unviable (2. d5) for at least one more move.

1. Kf1 with the idea of 2. Ke2 is also intriguing, but I'm not sure how to evaluate the position if Black plays 1...Qxh2: Black has an outside passed pawn and the initiative, White has the potential to create/exploit structural weaknesses on Black's queenside, and it should be around equal but Black should have better practical chances in a 15|10.
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03-20-2014 , 09:55 PM
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Yeah, of all those options, I think I like 1. Red1 best. The option to play e3-e4 at some point could be useful to have in our back pocket. Even though it strikes me as strategically silly at the moment (that f4 hole *puke*), Black's king is in the center, after all, and it might have some dynamic value.

I briefly considered 1. Bf1 just because I have a thing for moves like that, but I'm not sure how good it is.
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03-20-2014 , 10:33 PM
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I pretty much agree with everything you said. I really wanted to try and force e4-d5 through, since like you said black's king is in the center, but I couldn't get over the hole on f4. Maybe white does have some dynamic compensation for it, but at the time it just looked so ugly that I couldn't get over it. In retrospect, though, maybe it is the best idea because otherwise white just plays really passively and without a plan. During the game, I couldn't figure out if the dynamic play associated with an e4 push outweighed the bridges burned with the f4 hole and kingside weaknesses.

I elected to not play e4 and that didn't turn out so well Thank you for the thoughts, much appreciated.
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03-20-2014 , 10:42 PM
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Positional considerations that come to mind:
1) I am white.
2) I have a pawn on e3.

Subsequent analysis:
Since pawns can't move backwards, and the f2 pawn is still at home, the pawn on e3 must be the d-pawn, and have gotten there via a capture. And of course the pawn on d4 pawn must thus be the c-pawn, which also captured something.

Conclusion:
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This position could have been reached by opening with 1. e4, therefore resignation is not necessary.
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03-20-2014 , 10:53 PM
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1. Qe7+ Qxe7 2. Resign
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03-21-2014 , 03:39 AM
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at first glance f4 seem the move,
the hole at d5 and f4 are irrelivant imo because of f3 anyway.
f4 help you redirect the bishoop on the h1-a8 diagonal if need to be and its a good move for f5 push eventually, opening the position for the bishop.
you have control of the black square with pawns and white square with the bishop, so you can work on both side of the board without problem. you prevent any freeing manoeuver like e5 for a long time too, since c5 is a long way to go for black as well
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03-21-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Stop using spoilers in responses.


Black's King is stuck in the middle of the board and White already has three pieces aimed at it.

Why aren't we immediately playing 1. e4 and 2. d5?
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03-21-2014 , 01:11 PM
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Unless I'm missing something, e4 immediately hangs the d4 pawn. I was thinking of 1.Bf1 Nd5 2.e4 Nb4 3.d5, but 1...Nd5 is not the only move, and I'm not sure if 3.d5 works after 2...Ne7.

Also I'm not sure how to reply on 1.Bf1 g5. It's weird but Black's counterplay with Rg8 and g4 is quite annoying. Maybe the best way to play is 1.Kh1 and 2.Rg1.
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03-21-2014 , 06:47 PM
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b4
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03-22-2014 , 03:49 PM
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My general plan would be to play on the queenside: Attack a5 with Rc5, provoke b6 and then attack c6 by doubling rooks.
Unfortunately, f4 (with the plan Be2,Bf3, Rc5) seems to fail because of g5! and I can't take on g5 because then Rh8 attacks h2.
That's why I would play Be2 or Bf1 followed by Rc5. g5 is not so dangerous then because there is still f4 after g4.
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03-22-2014 , 08:56 PM
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Shadow f4 g5 for black white f5 and i am vr happy for white imo
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03-23-2014 , 07:45 AM
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I thought this too but maybe Black can just take it.

Black's king isn't really stuck in the centre here, because any time he wants he can play Qd6/e7 and 0-0 (possibly at the cost of the a-pawn). So it's hard for White to just start throwing pawns at him to open up the king. I initially thought White must be better, but now I don't see why, I think Black is fine.
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03-23-2014 , 07:36 PM
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Shadow f4 g5 for black white f5 and i am vr happy for white imo
This line looks horrendous for white, after 2. f5 Ng4! 3. f4 (only move) gxf4 and White's position is almost resignable.

I want to start a Qc3, a3, b4 minority attack against black's queenside pawns, but .. Qb6 and .. Nd5 clamp on b4 and then .. e5 is troublesome.

My plan is to play Kh1, Rg1, and then Bd3 and Rc5 and hope to trade the queens and end up with a bishop v knight on an open board and hope that's enough.
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04-12-2014 , 07:05 AM
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My plan is to play Kh1, Rg1, and then Bd3 and Rc5 and hope to trade the queens and end up with a bishop v knight on an open board and hope that's enough.
Ending up with rook+bishop vs. rook+knight is even better. Just trade queens and a pair of rooks at a later stage and you will be doing fine.

In my opinion white can just continue by making useful waiting moves, because it isn't easy for black to even trade queens since a5 is hanging. Simply Bf1 followed by Rc5 would be a good start. The other option of Kh1 and Rg1 looks good also.
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04-13-2014 , 02:12 AM
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Kh1, Rg1, pew pew lazer beems seems clearly best to me. you're clearly better in the center, but any advancement might not open up advantageously because of the reduced material, so might as well start probing for weaknesses on the half open file
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04-13-2014 , 08:18 AM
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idea of b4 trading queens then exposing his weak q side pawns with our rooks
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04-13-2014 , 08:46 AM
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idea of b4 trading queens then exposing his weak q side pawns with our rooks
Finally. U said it yourself OP, the position is boring, dull. Kh1, Rg1 really doesnt accomplish anything with only the light square bishop as a minor piece. Spice it up, B4
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04-14-2014 , 12:23 AM
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I like f4 here and see what he does and just keep up pressure followed by kh1 and rg1 if he decides to castle
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