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Old 02-15-2017, 12:38 PM   #451
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Re: Road to FIDE master title (FM): Improvement and Motivational Log

Better than those guys Yusupov played it quite a bit.

I think his book on it (at the time) was *the* authority on the opening.

It's good to see that as soon as you are sure you are going to work on not openings, you can't do anything but think about what other openings you want to play.
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Old 02-15-2017, 01:54 PM   #452
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Openings is love. Openings is life.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:41 AM   #453
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Have a pretty straightforward study plan in mind which I'm gonna try out


1. Just do loads of tactics daily (chesstempo, CT Art, Aargards calculation books, forcing chess move) there's plenty to do


2. Alternate daily between Endgame (Dovretsky Endgame Manual), Middlegame (Strategic Play by Jacob Aargards) and Openings (play out lines against engine on Arena)
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:35 AM   #454
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Gonna quit going to that chess club for a while.

Lost my game despite getting into my Levenfish prep (I'm black), it doesn't help with 3-4 people talking loudly while I play, nor when one tell me I'm wasting my time playing chess...


My Prep (Black is winning here despite the triple pawn), I later get another double pawn but open my a- file and am crushing (but end up losing in a blunder, forgot how)



Prep Line for those interested: http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game....php?id=109657


I think quitting the chess club is gonna be +EV for me and make sure I'm not wasting time...
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Old 02-20-2017, 09:27 AM   #455
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Have a pretty straightforward study plan in mind which I'm gonna try out


1. Just do loads of tactics daily (chesstempo, CT Art, Aargards calculation books, forcing chess move) there's plenty to do


2. Alternate daily between Endgame (Dovretsky Endgame Manual), Middlegame (Strategic Play by Jacob Aargards) and Openings (play out lines against engine on Arena)

Gonna start on this tomorrow, also the middlegame study will be a mix of a few books (e.g. Zurich by Bronstein) and a guess the move approach will be taken.


My round 9 game from the zonal. The guy needed a win, so I played super sharp to give him a chance. I played really quickly and white got a good position but then blundered. I was black.

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game....php?id=109674




White to mate in 3, harder than it looks



My board visualisation still needs alot of work...
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Old 02-23-2017, 11:26 PM   #456
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So it took me quite a few days just to finish the introduction chapter of Excelling in chess calculation

I was pretty busy lately preparing for uni and cleaning my house, so I'm aiming to pick up the pace now along with other something else every day (endgame, middlegame or opening)

But if the puzzles in this chapter have showed me what's to come, it ain't gonna be easy....


This one left a particularly daunting impression, I was both excited and demoralised doing this puzzle and the calculational difficulties it presented to me, Aargard did say even 2600 would have trouble with it, so I can't feel too bad



This was an endgame study from Yochanan Afek, a well known chess problem composer

It is expected that you don't move a single piece on the board from move 1 to calculate everything





I'll give a demonstration of my thought process and what I still need to improve on.

I saw that 1. b6! is almost necessary and didn't bother to look at other lines like 1. Nc5+ even tho the book briefly mentioned it.
I also thought 1. ... Bf2 was forced and calculated it's variations and didn't look at a few other option which the book also mentioned. Maybe I should've went deeper..

1. ... Bd8 2. Nc5+ Nc8 now b7 isn't available but Bd7#
1. ... Ra7+ (I didn't even consider this) 2. bxa7 Be1+ 3. Kb5 now we can't stop promotion but... f2 4. a8+=Q Kxa8 5. Ka6! making a mating net Qf1+ 6. Bb5 Qf3



7. Bc6+!! WHAT THE F-K Qxc6 8. Nb6+ Kb8 stalemate... as mind blowing as this theme is, I'm pretty sure I've seen quite a few of these in endgame studies.


As disappointed as I am in missing this line, I just have accept I'm not at the level of imagination or visualisation to consider this, even if I've come across a variety of crazy ideas in the endgame


Getting back on track, into the "normal lines"

After 1. b6 Bf2

We have to consider candidates

2. Bb5 Bxb6! 3. Nxb6 Rxa7 0-1 I've seen this

2. Bc6+ Kxc6 3. Ka6 Bxb6 0-1 The book didn't even bother with this line

Now to the ones that the book actually considered: 2. Bd1, 2. Bc2, 2. Bb3

My calculation was quite chaotic and was jumping from line to line trying to compare the difference, but as the book said I should start with Bd1 the most forcing (hitting f3 straight away)


My calculation: 2. Bd1 Bxb6 3. Nxb6 Rxa7 4. Kb5 (have to stick to knight) f2 5. Be2 Ra2 (threatening skewer on the b-file) 6. Bf3+ Ka7 7. Nc8 Kb8 wins 0-1

But I missed 5. Bf3+ Kc7 6. Nd5+ Kd6 7. Ne3 I missed this, I thought only of 7. Bg2 Rg7 and black wins but actually this holds...

As you can see we can't go Ka7 because the rook is there where as if I went 3. f2! back then I would have that Kxa7

So I failed to consider switching the move order with 3. f2 as an alternative to 3. ... Rxa7+ just assuming checking is better because its more forcing, also didn't look at 5. Bf3+ Kxa7! 6. Bg2 Rg8! with Rg5 in mind to win the knight another way!

Now 3. ... f2! 4. Be2 Rxa7 5. Kb5 Ra2 6. Bf3 Ka7!! 7. Bg2 Rg2+ wins the knight 0-1

So Bd1 doesnt work



As i didn't consider 3. ... f2! all my calculations for 2. Bc2 and 2. Bb3 is flawed because 3. ... f2! kills the 2. Bc2 line whereas the 3. ... Rxa7+ 4. Kb5 f2 5. Be4+ Kc7 6. Nd5+ Kd6 7. Ne3 same idea was above Ke5 8. Bg2 Rg7 9. Bf1 Rg1 10. Kc5!! somehow leads to a line that holds, I have no where considered this far ahead

It's super hard uploading a position for every critical moment of the variations but I hope this picture gives a big of an idea of what the themes are:





That leaves Bb3

It survives the 3. ... f2 line easily because of Bc4 and not being able to be harassed by the rook (try to work that out on the board)

The harder line to calculate

2. Bb3 Bxb6 3. Nxb6 Rxa7! 4. Kb5 f2 5. Bc4 Kc7 6. Nd5+ Kd6 7. Ne3 Rb7+ 8. Ka6! Rb1 9. Bd3 Re1 10. Nf1 Kc6 11. Ka5 Kc5 12. Ka4 Kd4 13. Bb5 Rb1 14. Ng3 Ke3 15. Nf1+ Kf4





BTW
we also have to look at the side line
2. Bb3 Kc6 3. Nb8+ Kc5 4. Na6+ Kc6 5. Bd5+! saccing the bishop to fork! a line I didn't even think of lol



I'm not sure if you actually need to have this kind of calculation power to reach 2300 (hopefully not, if 2600s can have trouble with this), but I don't care - I don't like doing anything half way and taking on this kind of challenges seem daunting but exciting at the same time...

So since I've been re-enrolled into university, I have to start finishing my degree to the best of my abilities, that means I will have to self ban for a while from 2p2 when next week begins and not post for a while. I will still be finishing the calculation books and studying chess tho.
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Old 02-25-2017, 06:54 AM   #457
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So end up going to a friends house to play some chess with a few friends. I haven't played blitz in a while so abit rusty. And it doesn't help that my friend is an FM a particularly good at blitz. Struggled abit, especially in the opening, even though it was 3 0 games, I was able to identify my flaws in some of my lines (my dragon is outdated against the Yugoslav, lack of experience vs the london or queens pawn game d4 without c4 lines) as seeing my weakness in tactical patterns (not long term calculations but more so the tactical and combinative patterns). This serve as a stark reminder to train my lines more against master level opponents (e.g. training engines around 2100-2300 level like Tal System) as well as grind the chess tempo tactics. That's why it's good to have strong friends because they can all help to pull you up. This is probably one of the most underrated area, strong players usually lead to more strong players. Analysing complicated positions with stronger players are more beneficial than club players. That's how it's been in the past, but engines has changed that to some degree. Nevertheless it's still good to befriend strong players.

Gonna just keep with my study and try to accommodate with my uni study schedule. And I'll make sure I do alot of general tactics in addition to calculation/visualisation work, along with other areas of my game (endgame, middlegame, openings).

Ok self banning from 2p2 soon!
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Looking forward to the intense tactical training and it's results on my performance!

Self banning from 2p2 tonight
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:37 PM   #459
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I've been enjoying the thread. I also play the English opening. I'm a class B player looking to improve after a 10 year hiatus. Do you have a collection of your English games online somewhere? Any suggestions on who/what to study regarding the English? I've put the Marin books on the need-to-read list. -ct
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:47 PM   #460
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Try "The Dynamic English" by Kosten. I've not read the Marin books but this is much shorter and a good introduction to some g3 lines in the English.
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:00 AM   #461
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Try "The Dynamic English" by Kosten. I've not read the Marin books but this is much shorter and a good introduction to some g3 lines in the English.
+1. You get to play the Sicilian half the time a tempo up.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:41 PM   #462
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+1. You get to play the Sicilian half the time a tempo up.
Doesn't the Reverse c3 Sicilian setup (e5 and, in response to g3 - Nf6, c6, d5) allow Black to obtain dynamic equality despite getting an IQP?

In my understanding, when White fianchettoes on g2 in any opening, it's usually useful to play c6 if that's still available, to counter White's clamp on d5. Hence the extra tempo seems unhelpful to White as he announces the fianchetto intention too early.

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Doesn't the Reverse c3 Sicilian setup (e5 and, in response to g3 - Nf6, c6, d5) allow Black to obtain dynamic equality despite getting an IQP?

In my understanding, when White fianchettoes on g2 in any opening, it's usually useful to play c6 if that's still available, to counter White's clamp on d5. Hence the extra tempo seems unhelpful to White as he announces the fianchetto intention too early.
I'll deer to you, for now, but the lead GM of this opening for white, I believe is GM Marin, and you might want to database those games.

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Doesn't [insert opening] allow Black to obtain dynamic equality despite [insert opening imbalance]?
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Doesn't the Reverse c3 Sicilian setup (e5 and, in response to g3 - Nf6, c6, d5) allow Black to obtain dynamic equality despite getting an IQP?
Yes but not many of your opponents are going to know that/want to play it. Most people play a similar defence to their setup vs 1.d4 when they play against the English. I've only ever seen this played by 2600 GMs so maybe there is a risk that you might get it against a theory hound but it is off set by only having to read 144 pages vs however many pages Marin's multiple volumes are.
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however many pages Marin's multiple volumes are.
I just found out. 1192 pages.
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