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02-19-2014 , 07:45 AM
Hi, trying to improve and hope to get some feedback on my play. I play white.

Last move im just thinking that i have some queenside space and should try attack there.

Should i trade at some point the pawns in the center? Didnt wanna let his bishops open up.
What plays are not good?
What should i aim for in the end here? Im totally blank except the space thing.
thanks in advance for input

1c4 Nc6
2nc3 nf6
3 nf3 e6
4d4 be7
5e3 0-0
6be2 d6
7be2 a6
80-0 d5
9Qd7 be7
10 rfe1 bd6
11 c5 be7
12a4 ...
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02-19-2014 , 08:20 AM
I think you should have played 12. Qxg8 auto-win!

(I want to comment, but I can't make sense of the score. There are a lot of illegal and duplicated moves.)
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02-19-2014 , 08:51 AM
Mistake: 6bd2 is correct
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02-19-2014 , 09:16 AM
1 c4 Nc6
2 Nc3 Nf6
3 Nf3 e6
4 d4 Be7
5 e3 0-0
6 Bd2 d6
7 Be2 a6
8 0-0 d5
9 Qd7 Be7 (illegal moves)
10 Rfe1 Bd6
11 c5 Be7
12 a4 ...
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02-19-2014 , 09:21 AM
9:qc2 bd7
Im on my iPhone
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02-19-2014 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Mistake: 6bd2 is correct
There are still lots of errors. I'll assume this is the game score:
1. c4 Nc6 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 e6 4. d4 Be7 5. e3 O-O 6. Bd2 d6 7. Be2 a6 8. O-O d5 9. Qc2 Bd7 10. Rfe1 Bd6 11. c5 Be7 12. a4
4...Be7 allows 5. d5 (with the idea of e2-e4), which is still on the table after 5...0-0. Black should have played 4...Bb4 or 4...d5.

I'd play a2-a3 at some point between moves 6-10. By preventing knight intrusions on b4, it allows the light-square bishop to be deployed along the more useful b1-h7 diagonal.

12. a4 seems inferior to 12. a3.
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02-19-2014 , 09:42 AM
That is the correct moves you wrote.
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02-19-2014 , 11:56 AM
12 a4 inferior to 12 a3, i agree on this. What i was thinking with A4 was just to get things rolling more quickly but i guess a3 is better. But is the idea correct? That i should attack on the queenside since i have more space or what?

What other ideas could i be thinking at my 12th move? im pretty blank

4 Be7 allows 5.d5 with idea of e2-e4. So when it comes to this i was thinking two things
1) i should not be doing too many pawn moves early on, just try get my piece out or i will end up behind.
2) if i advance my centerpawns this much i might overextend, making holes and weaknesses and all that i gain is that he is forced to move his knight.

So any thoughts on this anyone?
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02-19-2014 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
4 Be7 allows 5.d5 with idea of e2-e4. So when it comes to this i was thinking two things
1) i should not be doing too many pawn moves early on, just try get my piece out or i will end up behind.
2) if i advance my centerpawns this much i might overextend, making holes and weaknesses and all that i gain is that he is forced to move his knight.
I think these are useful general principles, but the specifics of the situation override them.

1) d4-d5 comes with tempo, and you need to move a pawn to develop the light-squared bishop anyway. These aren't wasteful moves.

2) He's forced to move his knight to a terrible square: b8 and a5 suck, and 5...Nb4 (with the idea of Nb4-a6-c5 at some point) isn't the worst maneuver in the world, in theory, but here it's tactically gross in view of 6. e4, threatening 7. e5, where 6...d6 isn't possible because of 7. Qa4+ winning the knight. 6...0-0 7. e5 Ne8 8. a3 Na6 and Black's position isn't enviable.

Yes, you are accepting a possible structural weakness (overextended pawns), but in return, you get a dynamic strength (space, piece activity, a developmental advantage, the ability to relegate Black's pieces to ridiculous squares, and/or a slew of tactical threats that could win material) that should more than compensate for it.
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02-20-2014 , 01:09 PM
Here is link to the game, it has progresses a bit further now.

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game...r.php?id=89816

So other than what has been mentioned, what about move-order? Would you do the same moves or in different order? Or different moves? Even though some of my moves may not be "bad" there may be some slightly better moves.

any thoughs?

One example: 7: Be2, why not Be3? How about Be2 before Bd2?

Last edited by aflametotheground; 02-20-2014 at 01:11 PM. Reason: example
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02-20-2014 , 02:41 PM
A quick clarification: is this a game that is currently in progress? If so, please bear in mind that our policy on this forum is to only discuss games that have been completed. On the other hand, if the game is finished, and you're just revealing it in chunks to keep the discussion focused on specific parts of the game at a time, then carry on
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02-20-2014 , 03:16 PM
Hi, the game is ongoing but it is allways advanced far from the positions i have posted here, so its really trivial thats its formally ongoing.

Also in this thread im focusing more on the moves that had been done rather than what future moves i should be doing. Its not important for me to win, trying to learn.
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02-20-2014 , 04:23 PM
I appreciate that it sounds like your heart is in the right place, and you are only looking for learning opportunities. However it's entirely possible, if the discussion mentioned (say) a long-term weakness for either side, that it could still unfairly influence the game. Simplest and safest is to finish up the game first, and then we can dissect the whole thing in full
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02-24-2014 , 05:23 PM
Hi, here is a new game. http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game...r.php?id=89941

Hopping to get feedback on opening and middlegame. I played white and won the game. Bad pawn strukture? Movement order? More..
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02-25-2014 , 05:33 PM
Perfectly played, nothing to add?
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02-25-2014 , 06:26 PM
a3 seems pretty pointless, Be3 seems a little odd but it's not actively bad or anything. I think exf6 with idea of qd1-g4 or d5-qg4 is faster, and d5 faster than Qd1
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02-25-2014 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Perfectly played, nothing to add?
How about your thoughts first. Why'd you choose to share this game?
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02-26-2014 , 06:36 AM
Thanks tomcowley i will have a look at this later.

Gangstaman, its a random game i played. I prefer to see Opinions uninfluensed by my own comments for this particular game.
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02-26-2014 , 12:55 PM
i agree on the things you say. but Be3, is Bf4 more preferable?

9. e5, is this what you ppl would do? im thinking that if exd5 he would be able to centralize his knight and threaten to trade a bishop for a knight.

An alternative may be to go e5 and next try to trade my c pawn for his central d pawn.

10 Bxe4, maybe better to try trade it for my knight instead?

16. how about Nc4 here? if he trades the bishop i open a file, and if he doesnt it will hinder his pawn and be up in his face.

6. Bxf3, how about gxf3 instead to get one more central file and a open file? is it worth it to get double pawns?

7) how about c4 instead of castling? so i could get the knight to c3 after b3 or something.

7) how about d5 instead of castling? i might overextend some, but with a tempo, and he might have to bring his knight back to where it started now. Im not sure how good this is because in my eyes his 2 knights developed badly because they are both blocking his pawns, so the knights staying where they are is positive to me i think. what do you think?
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