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09-02-2009 , 09:31 AM

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smilingbill

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bump for Polgar (and Truong) addressing the topic in her monthly column @ ChessCafe: http://www.chesscafe.com/polgar/polgar.htm

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09-02-2009 , 01:05 PM

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Neil S

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If Polgar is the one who sued the USCF, how can she complain about the USCF having to spend money defending the lawsuit?

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09-02-2009 , 03:18 PM

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If Polgar is the one who sued the USCF, how can she complain about the USCF having to spend money defending the lawsuit?

Because she is a master of logic and is applying it perfectly in this situation.

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09-06-2009 , 03:48 AM

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Why would you think that it would be difficult to replace the USCF, or that you'd want anybody who's already associated with them to do it?

Go google "united states <insert game> federation." Basically every single game has a federation. As a random example, I googled the US domino federation. A game that shouldn't have even a fraction of the draw that chess has - yet they just had an event that not only drew hundreds of people (~600) but it was even televised on ESPN. What gives? Why are chess events being put on on a comparable scale to domino events? Why is chess where it is? It's a game that takes 10 minutes to learn, anybody can play and has infinite depth, is an excellent tool for learning logic, calculation, spatial reasoning, blah - yet it's not significantly outpacing a game where the goal is to connect the dots.

This game could be absolutely huge in the US, but it never will be with the USCF.

Bill Robertie on the 4 pokercast said that the public loses interest in a game once the computers beat the best humans. He said it happened with backgammon and I have heard very little about chess in the media since the Deep Blue match.

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09-06-2009 , 07:45 PM

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How much media was there before the deep blue match? Seems about the same to me.

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09-07-2009 , 11:58 PM

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Mabye not right then. I bet there was a lot in Europe. US needed Fisher to get it popular.

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09-08-2009 , 06:45 AM

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Somehow media interest was always much higher for human vs computer matches than for human world championship matches. Now that the human vs computer debate has pretty much been settled, of course the interest for that has declined.

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09-12-2009 , 06:20 PM

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Popularity surge of No Limit Texas Hold'em anyone?

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09-13-2009 , 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DipoleMoment

Bill Robertie can say what he wants. The dramatic loss of interest in backgammon had little or nothing to do with the improvement of backgammon playing software such as GNU and Snowie. It had to do with the fact that the skill to luck ratio in backgammon is such that weak casual players were getting raped and losing almost every session to the sharks, so as soon as other recreational gambling possibilities came about, such as VLT machines, etc, they took the path of least resistance. The decline in wagering in snooker and nine ball, which most certainly is not yet dominated by robots, came about at around the same time as the decline in backgammon.

I really don't think that that is the reason. Mason Malmuth used that line about nlhe in the 90s. Casual players were never beating the sharks in chess.

I think the role of a computer solving the game is huge in someone who is just looking for something to do.

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