Go?

[funkyj]

Originally Posted by Deppir

I tried searching for videos on youtube but I couldnt find any good ones. Are there any Go matches with commentary I could watch? I'm really interested in the game.

ask on godiscussions.com.

Sensei's library probably has some references to (text) commented games.

Typical games last longer that football (soccer) matches. The Honinbo title alots 8 hours of playing time + byo-yomi per player. These games take 2 days to play. It would be quite boring to watch a Honinbo title match in action

[Deppir]

Originally Posted by funkyj

ask on godiscussions.com.

Sensei's library probably has some references to (text) commented games.

Typical games last longer that football (soccer) matches. The Honinbo title alots 8 hours of playing time + byo-yomi per player. These games take 2 days to play. It would be quite boring to watch a Honinbo title match in action

Wow, I wasn't aware that matches take that long! haha incredible...

Thanks for the site, much appreciation.

[SinK]

Originally Posted by Neil S

Area v. territory affects when to pass but it doesn't really affect strategy. Mathematically the two are equivalent.

What about the situation where you have an opportunity to turn a few dead stones into a long line through your opponents territory. You will still lose your line of stones but since he must put down twice as many stones to take them it seems there would be an advantage to making him fill up his own territory with his own stones.

I am happy to accept this is wrong but I just can't see why that is the case.

[tetron]

Originally Posted by SinK

What about the situation where you have an opportunity to turn a few dead stones into a long line through your opponents territory. You will still lose your line of stones but since he must put down twice as many stones

A line through your opponent's territory will only require placing stones on one side at most. You don't need to take the stones off to declare them prisoners. But there is a position seki where the scoring can be very different.

It is very rare that a sacrifice invasion will even gain 1 point. These plays tend to be where the life and death fight is very tight.

[tetron]

Originally Posted by funkyj

match in action

Not what I call action

The game that sounded most interesting was where the record states "black lost by an illegal move".

The illegal move was apparently black throwing the board on the floor!

[Kyopo]

Bump! Any Go players alive?

[Neil S]

Originally Posted by SinK

What about the situation where you have an opportunity to turn a few dead stones into a long line through your opponents territory. You will still lose your line of stones but since he must put down twice as many stones to take them it seems there would be an advantage to making him fill up his own territory with his own stones.

I am happy to accept this is wrong but I just can't see why that is the case.

Just saw this.

Why would he have to put down twice as many stones as you? If the position is dead for you, he doesn't have to play any stones at all!

Only if you're trying to make them live, by playing your own stones, would he have to play back. And by you playing your stones, you're creating prisoners.

[funkyj]

Originally Posted by SinK

What about the situation where you have an opportunity to turn a few dead stones into a long line through your opponents territory. You will still lose your line of stones but since he must put down twice as many stones to take them it seems there would be an advantage to making him fill up his own territory with his own stones.

I am happy to accept this is wrong but I just can't see why that is the case.

Originally Posted by Neil S

Just saw this.

Why would he have to put down twice as many stones as you? If the position is dead for you, he doesn't have to play any stones at all!

Only if you're trying to make them live, by playing your own stones, would he have to play back. And by you playing your stones, you're creating prisoners.

teach chinese (area) counting and this n00b fallacy is completely side stepped.

Add Ikeda's rule to traditional area scoring and the two rule sets (Ikeda area counting and japanese counting) give the same result in all but the rarest cases.


Heck, you can even switch to japanese counting when you know enough to know why OP's statement is wrong.

The game is really about market share (controlling more than 50% of the board) not capturing. Area scoring makes this more obvious to the uninitiated.

[Neil S]

I like area counting.

Though I remember on KGS, I'd be accused of cheating by people who wouldn't pay attention to what rules were in place, and would pass instead of filling in.

[funkyj]

if you would pass with japanese rules, you CAN end the game without filling dame without affecting the outcome. The final score will not add up to 361 but if you are not counting on a real board by hand that is not a problem.

[Neil S]

Originally Posted by funkyj

if you would pass with japanese rules, you CAN end the game without filling dame without affecting the outcome. The final score will not add up to 361 but if you are not counting on a real board by hand that is not a problem.

Yup. But the way people would flip out was just crazy. Part of what eventually pushed me away from KGS.