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03-01-2011 , 07:03 PM
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c6 looks like it does it, im too lazy to explain why
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03-01-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PyramidScheme
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c6 looks like it does it, im too lazy to explain why
Can you at least explain how it's a legal move?
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03-01-2011 , 08:00 PM
lol
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03-01-2011 , 08:03 PM
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I think...

1...f3 2. g3 (else 2...Rh2#) ...Bxg3 3. hxg3 Qe5 with Qh5 next?
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03-01-2011 , 10:10 PM
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f3 g3 Rxh2+ looks good enough to me
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03-01-2011 , 11:37 PM
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Am I missing something??
1...f3

2.gxf3 Rxh2#

2.g3 Rxh2+
3.Kxh2 Qh4+
4.Kg1 Qxg3+
5.Kh1 Qh2#

2.Rxf3 ... I don't see anything winning ... and white now has ideas of Rf3-h3 with threats on h7!
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03-01-2011 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HipHopRTR
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Am I missing something??
1...f3

2.gxf3 Rxh2#

2.g3 Rxh2+
3.Kxh2 Qh4+
4.Kg1 Qxg3+
5.Kh1 Qh2#

2.Rxf3 ... I don't see anything winning ... and white now has ideas of Rf3-h3 with threats on h7!
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2. g3 Rxh2+ 3. Kxh2 Qh4+ 4. gxh4

Right?

Edit: Never mind, that pawn is pinned. I swear, I should start a forum and post my moves during the game I'm playing, because as soon as I hit post on a position, it suddenly becomes clearer.
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03-01-2011 , 11:48 PM
Weekend of April 2. Columbia (Mo.) Open or meet my nephew from California for the first time when my sister flies in?

He'll be 3.5 months old then and it'll be the first time my 18-month-old son interacts with a baby.

On the other hand, I *really* want to play some chess and might not have another chance for awhile.
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03-01-2011 , 11:54 PM
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God do I have to explain everything to you guys.

1.....f3 (or c6 whatever you want to call that square lol)
fxg2# is being threatened so white must capture, gxf3 leads to mate so 2. Rxf3 is FORCED

1..... f3
2. Rxf3 Qg4!

Now Qxg2# is threatened 3. Rg3 only loses material and the same threat comes about after the exchange anyway so if white plays that he might as well resign. The only viable move is Rg1.

so...

1...f3
2.Rxf3 Qg4
3.Rg1 Qxf3!!!!! lol chessaments

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03-02-2011 , 03:20 AM
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f3 wins.

2.gxf3 Rxh2++

2.Rg1 Qh4
3.h3 fxg2+
4.Rxg2 Qxh3+ (Qg3 works too)
5.Kg1 Qxg2++


2.Rxf3 Qg4
3.Rg3 Bxg3
4.hxg3 Qxg3
5.Rg1 Qh4++

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03-02-2011 , 03:23 AM
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If white doesn't play hxg3 then Qf2!
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03-02-2011 , 03:30 AM
PS the only one who got the important Qxf3 idea imo
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03-02-2011 , 03:35 AM
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hmm yeah I guess 2.Rg1 is more accurate than Rg3 I need to find better defences for my opponents.
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03-02-2011 , 03:35 AM
Comments on this position?



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Computer says it's -2.79 but I've no idea how black can keep both bishops

edit: actually I kind of see it if he can work the king up. Bah I've always wanted to get the chance to mate with two bishops as well.

Last edited by Cadaz; 03-02-2011 at 03:43 AM.
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03-02-2011 , 03:47 AM
yup looks winning, just get that king into the game. also good potential to harass the knight with the bishops + king
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03-02-2011 , 03:55 AM
I traded into the endgame thinking it was winning then convinced myself otherwise and accepted a draw. Smooth.
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03-02-2011 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82
Agreed. I spent a day on the dark side yesterday learning some gimmicky traps and gambits [against Ruy Lopez players]...
If you want a fun e4-e5 gambit try the elephant gambit. e4 e5 Nf3 d5!

It's actually nowhere near as bad as it seems like it 'must be'. Statistically black actually scores better with it than he does playing the standard Nc6, although there are obviously more reasons than objective strength for that.

A critical point is 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd Bd6!

I think it certainly must be more sound than stuff like the smith morra or BDG at least.
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03-02-2011 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cadaz
I traded into the endgame thinking it was winning then convinced myself otherwise and accepted a draw. Smooth.
If you're in an endgame, and you don't have much losing chances (like Black in the above diagram) you should play on.

You *could* win and you may well just learn something from playing it out.

I just analyzed the position and it's definitely a fun ending to play around with. Black activates the king and combines an attack on either g3/g2 and wins.

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03-02-2011 , 05:40 AM
This game makes me want to kick a puppy:

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game...r.php?id=41603

I spent like 15 minutes trying to make 26. ... Bf5+ work, and it just didn't quite. But the comp says it did. *puppykick!*
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03-02-2011 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82
This game makes me want to kick a puppy:

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game...r.php?id=41603

I spent like 15 minutes trying to make 26. ... Bf5+ work, and it just didn't quite. But the comp says it did. *puppykick!*
26.. Bf5+

The White King can't step back to the 3rd rank b/c of your queen and he can't step to d5 b/c of the c6 pawn. The White King also can't step to d4/e5 because White has pieces there.

26.. Bf5+ and White's ONLY moves are 27. gxf5 and 27. Kf4.

If 27. gxf5 just 27.. gxf5+

Here White has ONLY one move and it's 28. Kf4. He's on a dark square, and look you have a dark square bishop. 28.. Bh6#. Okay that was easy enough.

If 27. Kf4 then also 27.. Bh6+. Now White's reply is forced (i.e. really easy to calculate), 28. g5 and you now have 28.. Qh4+. Okay that's not that hard in itself to see.

You can basically stop your calculation here and play 26.. Bf5+ with confidence. It's the best move from a practical standpoint, gets another piece in the game, and you know he can't take it or he gets mated.

After 28.. Qh4+ there is 29. Kf3 Bxg5 and White's king is basically naked so Black has an advantage.

You didn't have to calculate 26.. Bf5+ out to mate or something super duper clear. You should have been able to see that it was a better move than your alternative of 26.. Bxe5 and 27.. Bxg4 which isn't forcing and allows a counter-attack along the D-file.

Also, don't kick a puppy. If anything, go outside and punch a penguin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Sr0GO9xhM&t=1m7s

Last edited by All-inMcLovin; 03-02-2011 at 06:11 AM. Reason: for youtube vid
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03-02-2011 , 06:13 AM
I missed gxf5+ as a response. I was calculating everything based on gxf5 Qxf5+.

I won't kick a puppy. I guess.
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03-02-2011 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82
I missed gxf5+ as a response. I was calculating everything based on gxf5 Qxf5+.

I won't kick a puppy. I guess.
How did you miss it? It's one of two viable options.

If a King is naked, and you have two different checks. At least look at both of them, would be pretty good advice.
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03-02-2011 , 06:23 AM
*sigh* I'm sitting here doing several hours of training a day, and "consider all your possible checks" comes somewhere between "this is how the horsey moves" and "bishops are worth 3" in the beginners' guidelines, and I still can't get that right.

I was going to turn that into a larger rant, but that youtube video has me laughing too hard and I don't think I could match it.
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03-02-2011 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Do it Right
If you want a fun e4-e5 gambit try the elephant gambit. e4 e5 Nf3 d5!

It's actually nowhere near as bad as it seems like it 'must be'. Statistically black actually scores better with it than he does playing the standard Nc6, although there are obviously more reasons than objective strength for that.

A critical point is 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd Bd6!

I think it certainly must be more sound than stuff like the smith morra or BDG at least.
I used to play the Elephant all the time ... and still play the Blackmar-Diemer fairly often. Its an interesting opening for sure, though I suspect I got myself into more trouble than I needed to as I preferred the lines with f5 (where its playable) before playing Nf6 ... but that's just me.

Of course the line with 3...e4 rather than 3...Bd6 was the 'old' main line & is weaker than Bd6 IMO. I suspect a lot of the early victories against it would have been in that line.
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03-02-2011 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by smilingbill
PS the only one who got the important Qxf3 idea imo
<3's
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