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Old 04-03-2009, 06:16 AM   #1
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*** Chess Low Content Thread ***

Hey guys,

The Chess BBV thread is for beats and variance and brags, this one is for low content stuff which is like not important enough elsewhere.

Well reading the rook endings thread reminded me. The only thing in chess that puts me on mega-tilt is when I misplay a rook and pawn ending. If I play the opening badly, fine. If I hang a piece to a tactic, no problem. Other endgames don't do this. But if I mess up a rook endgame, I feel like smashing the board with a huge meteorite rock.

I have no idea why this is, but this is my feelings about rook endings.
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:39 AM   #2
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

I don't hate misplaying rook endings in general, but one that has got me a couple of times is going from a worse position into a rook ending where I am worse but I think it is drawn, thinking I've rescued the half point, then losing anyway.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:39 PM   #3
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

When you mention a meteorite rock

Do you mean Kryptonite?

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Old 04-03-2009, 04:16 PM   #4
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***: a few bad beats!

Some "bad beats"!

Some weeks ago, I started to play some blitz (only against "bots") at about
5 1 ( much faster, and I wouldn't be able to convert some won endgames ).
Of course, I had a terrible score, but managed some draws and a few
"entertaining" wins against some weaker "bots" ( sure, it's only blitz! ). [ I
hadn't played blitz in literally years, but I do often follow major tournaments
such as Linares, Melody Amber and the World Championships. Besides that,
I like to look at endgame studies from time to time. ]

Enjoy!


bigpooch vs. "bot"

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Nc3 Nf6
4. d4 exd4
5. Nd5 Be7
6. Bc4 0-0
7. 0-0 Nxe4
8. Re1 Nf6
9. Rxe7 ( recommended by Monson in his book on the Belgrade Gambit )
9... Nxe7
10. Nxf6+ gf6
11. Qxd4 d5
12. Bd3 Ng6 ( I actually think White does not have sufficient compensation )
13. b4!? Re8
14. Bb2 Kg7
15. h4 a5? ( 15...Qd6 and Black seems almost winning )
16. h5 Ne5
17. h6+ Kh8
18. Qh4 Nxf3+
19. gxf3 Re6
20. Kh1 Kg8
21. Rg1+ Kf8
22. Bxh7 Ke7
23. Bg8 axb4
24. h7 Rxa2
25. Bd4 Kd7
26. h8Q Re2
27. Q8xf6 Qxf6
28. Qxf6 Re6
29. Qxf7+ Kc6
30. Qxe6+ Bxe6
31. Bxe6 Rxc2
32. f4 Kb5
33. f5 c5
34. Bg7 Rxf2
35. f6 d4
36. f7 b6
37. f8Q Rxf8
38. Bxf8 Ka4
39. Rb1 Kb5
40. Kg2 etc. 1-0


bigpooch vs "bot"

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. Nc3 Nc6
4. d4 Bb4
5. Nxe5 Nxe4
6. Qg4 Nxc3
7. Qxg7 Rf8
8. a3 Nxd4
9. axb4 Nxc2+
10. Kd2 Nxa1
11. Kxc3 a5
12. Bc4 ab4+
13. Kd3 d5
14. Bb5+ c6
15. Re1 ( actually, I don't know what is "theory" here )
15...Bf5+
16. Kd2 Be6
17. Nxc6 bxc6
18. Rxe6+ Kd7
19. Rxc6 Qe7
20. Kd1 Ra5
21. Bf4 Rxb5
22. Rc7+ Kd8
23. Rxe7 Kxe7
24. Qe5+ Kd7
25. Qd6+ Ke8
26. Qc6+ Ke7
27. Bd6+ Ke6
28. Bxf8+ Kf5
29. Qxb5 Ke5
30. Qa4 etc. 1-0
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:05 PM   #5
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

garcia,

I take it you've studied rook endings thoroughly?
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:25 PM   #6
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

Hey I had a random idea..

How about if 2p2 had a chess viewer/replayer, similiar to the poker hand replayer they have.

I don't think it would take much work to make one..
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:56 PM   #7
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

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Hey I had a random idea..

How about if 2p2 had a chess viewer/replayer, similiar to the poker hand replayer they have.

I don't think it would take much work to make one..
it wouldn't take a huge amount of work (90% sure such a thing already exists and they would just need to install it and test it), but they really don't like to implement anything like this.
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:02 PM   #8
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

It's so easy to just copy/paste text into WinBoard though.
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:14 PM   #9
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garcia,

I take it you've studied rook endings thoroughly?
I think around 50% of my endgame study is rook endings. Goddamn rook endings.
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:35 AM   #10
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

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Hey guys,

The Chess BBV thread is for beats and variance and brags, this one is for low content stuff which is like not important enough elsewhere.

Well reading the rook endings thread reminded me. The only thing in chess that puts me on mega-tilt is when I misplay a rook and pawn ending. If I play the opening badly, fine. If I hang a piece to a tactic, no problem. Other endgames don't do this. But if I mess up a rook endgame, I feel like smashing the board with a huge meteorite rock.

I have no idea why this is, but this is my feelings about rook endings.
This is such a crazy thing to tilt you. Rook endgames are hard. GM's frequently make serious mistakes in rook endgames - as shown in dozens of books highlighting those mistakes. Unless you're tilting over screwing up something simple, this just seems weird to me.
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This is such a crazy thing to tilt you. Rook endgames are hard. GM's frequently make serious mistakes in rook endgames - as shown in dozens of books highlighting those mistakes. Unless you're tilting over screwing up something simple, this just seems weird to me.
Yeah, I know that they're hard but I've studied them a lot. Whenever I mess up I feel like, "omg all that studying.. FOR NOTHING!" and then I get upset. I didn't know GMs frequently make mistakes though, that's good to know.
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:32 AM   #12
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:44 AM   #13
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Gah, I just had a sick, sick session. Set over set, aces all-in pre lost against two callers (actually I got dealt aces right after I lost to a higher set, so I open-shoved to make it look like I was tilting), queens all-in preflop against kings (guy seemed loose enough to make the call easy), two pair over two pair, flush over two pair. Ugh!
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:49 AM   #14
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Gah, I just had a sick, sick session. Set over set, aces all-in pre lost against two callers (actually I got dealt aces right after I lost to a higher set, so I open-shoved to make it look like I was tilting), queens all-in preflop against kings (guy seemed loose enough to make the call easy), two pair over two pair, flush over two pair. Ugh!
This is the Chess Low Content Thread

So your post is out of line chief.
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:50 AM   #15
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

@Discipline

Ouch, that really sucks. Sometimes I really hate playing a game with luck involved, but I guess we'd never get any fish otherwise Hope you have a better session tomorrow.
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:53 AM   #16
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This is the Chess Low Content Thread

So your post is out of line chief.
Yikes! It's the 2+2 police!

Seriously though, should we have a no content or **** thread for this forum? I'd like to share how amazing McDonalds' new Brownie Melt is without pretending it's somehow related to chess.
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:55 AM   #17
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Yikes! It's the 2+2 police!

Seriously though, should we have a no content or **** thread for this forum? I'd like to share how amazing McDonalds' new Brownie Melt is without pretending it's somehow related to chess.
Hey Swingdoc, I'm mainly joking with that post.

I think a no content or BS thread for the forum would be a good idea.

I do like this thread as "chess lite" material so another thread would be cool.
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:36 AM   #18
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I thought that this was just a thread for any random thoughts.
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Old 04-05-2009, 05:22 AM   #19
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it wouldn't take a huge amount of work (90% sure such a thing already exists and they would just need to install it and test it), but they really don't like to implement anything like this.
Its certainly doable, we have this at chessvideos.tv. You can see some sample posts in the Game Replays section.
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:59 PM   #20
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

So I've been reading more Silman books. Here is a super-concise summary:

SITUATION: Positionally superior
SOLUTION: Shut down enemy counterplay

SITUATION: Positionally equal
SOLUTION: Create weak squares

SITUATION: Positionally busted
SOLUTION: Sacrifice the Exchange
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:58 PM   #21
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So I've been reading more Silman books. Here is a super-concise summary:

SITUATION: Positionally superior
SOLUTION: Shut down enemy counterplay

SITUATION: Positionally equal
SOLUTION: Create weak squares

SITUATION: Positionally busted
SOLUTION: Sacrifice the Exchange
SITUATION: The King Pissed You Off
SOLUTION: Put a Cap in his Ass
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:57 PM   #22
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

On GameKnot you can declare draw after 50 moves. Is it dick move to declare draw in soon to be lost position (not next move or anything but say 15 moves later)?
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Yes it is.

nh sir
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:22 PM   #24
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I'll just resign.

(er, actually not 100% sure it is lost)
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:03 AM   #25
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Re: *** Chess Low Content Thread ***

Here are are two games I played recently that give me hope for the future. In both of these I felt like I could see every possible line and variation with zero effort. Every once in a while I'll have games like this.


I especially like the checkmate here. It's nothing real special, but I saw it the very instant he moved his queen to g5 on move 17.
Code:
[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2009.04.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ShawnAvery"]
[Black "xyzbernhard"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "1043"]
[BlackElo "963"]
[ECO "C65"]
[TimeControl "180+12"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O a6 5. Ba4 b5 6. Bb3 Bc5 7. d3 d6 8. Be3 
Bxe3 9. fxe3 Bg4 10. Nc3 O-O 11. Qd2 Bxf3 12. Rxf3 Ng4 13. Raf1 Qh4 14. Rh3 
Qg5 15. Rf5 Qe7 16. Qe2 g6 17. Rf1 Qg5 18. Nd5 f6 19. Qxg4 Qxg4 20. Nxf6+ Kg7 
21. Rxh7# *
This one I saw the potential mate at move 16 when for whatever ridiculous reason he played h6. It took me a bit to figure out the move order but I could "see" how it was going to happen almost 10 moves in advance.

Code:
[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2009.04.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ShawnAvery"]
[Black "spacedoc"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "1064"]
[BlackElo "1076"]
[ECO "C60"]
[TimeControl "600+1"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nge7 4. O-O a6 5. Ba4 f6 6. d3 d6 7. Nc3 Bd7 8. 
Be3 Ng6 9. Qd2 Be7 10. Rad1 Nb4 11. Bxd7+ Qxd7 12. a3 Nc6 13. d4 exd4 14. 
Nxd4 Nxd4 15. Bxd4 O-O 16. Rfe1 h6 17. Qd3 Nf4 18. Qg3 Ne6 19. Be3 Kh7 20. 
Ne2 Rad8 21. Nf4 Rg8 22. Qg6+ Kh8 23. Nxe6 Qxe6 24. Bxh6 gxh6 25. Qxh6# *
These tactic problems I have been doing at chesstempo.com have been really, really paying off. I've worked up to 1700 there but seem to be stuck there for the last week or so. If only could bring my fics game up to 1700 =\
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