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The line works just as well against Qd6 since he can easily take the pawn from there too.

In my database though Qa5 is played about 4 times more often than Qd6.

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12-16-2010 , 11:50 AM

#1277

RoundTower

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I have come up against Qd6 more often

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12-16-2010 , 03:02 PM

#1278

BobJoeJim

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According to my opening database, Qa5 is about five times more common than Qd6, overall. However, in those (relatively rare) set of games where masters choose to play the Scandinavian, Qd6 is almost as common as Qa5 (though the latter is still the main line).

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12-16-2010 , 06:50 PM

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Cadaz

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Originally Posted by Noir_Desir

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. b4! Qxb4 5. Nb5!! Qa5 6. Lc4!!! c6 7. Bxf7+!!!! wins pretty much by force against the scandinavian.

If you want to thank me for this revelation, PM for my pokerstars account name.

And what about 2.nf6 for ze blackz? :O

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12-17-2010 , 06:21 AM

#1280

jewbinson

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Mt Rybka database has 600 games for Qd6 and just 20 games for Qa5....

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12-17-2010 , 06:51 AM

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Noir_Desir

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to show all the haters that i practice what i preach, here my latest FICS game:

http://www.ficsgames.com/cgi-bin/sho...44;action=show

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12-17-2010 , 09:04 AM

#1282

smilingbill

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"qed bitches"

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12-17-2010 , 12:10 PM

#1283

RoundTower

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I've played b4 occasionally in lightning games, just with the idea to play bxa5 after they premove something else. Never saw this trick before, though.

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12-17-2010 , 12:16 PM

#1284

jontsef

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Originally Posted by jewbinson

Mt Rybka database has 600 games for Qd6 and just 20 games for Qa5....

You're doing it wrong.

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12-17-2010 , 04:11 PM

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Cadaz

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srsly its interesting that qa5 isnt so popular when its proven quite reasonable at master lvl from what ive ssen. Might be talking **** now ppretty wasted

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12-17-2010 , 07:51 PM

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jewbinson

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Originally Posted by jontsef

You're doing it wrong.

how/why?

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12-17-2010 , 08:14 PM

#1287

fezjones

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a queen on the rim the future looks grim

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12-17-2010 , 09:04 PM

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HungryHippo

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got tilted on fics yesterday and lost 200 points lol.

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12-17-2010 , 09:09 PM

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KyleJRM82

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

got tilted on fics yesterday and lost 200 points lol.

I finally had to +noplay all the computers on ICC because of that.

It'd be 2 a.m., I'm dead tired, but I'm close to a new rating high in standard, so I just fire up a game with a computer that I "know" I can beat to vulture 8-10 points at a time and try to rip through a couple of games really quick.

Inevitably, I'm so tired I make a dumb mistake and lose a game. Now I'm down 20 points. I have to win two more to make that up!

I keep chasing my losses for an hour or two, each game making more more tired and more tilted and thus more likely to lose than the game before.

Next thing you know, I've got a 200-point trough to climb out of.

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12-17-2010 , 10:42 PM

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jontsef

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Originally Posted by jewbinson

how/why?

What database are you searching?

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12-19-2010 , 07:57 PM

#1291

All-inMcLovin

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Originally Posted by Noir_Desir

to show all the haters that i practice what i preach, here my latest FICS game:

http://www.ficsgames.com/cgi-bin/sho...44;action=show

Thanks for posting the game.

But what if Black just plays 6.. Nf6 ?

Then isn't White just down a pawn?

I do suppose 6..c6 is sort of "natural" for Black to play if he is not aware of the trap.

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12-20-2010 , 09:11 AM

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Noir_Desir

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Nf6 is obviously also bad for black:

http://www.ficsgames.com/cgi-bin/sho...77;action=show

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12-20-2010 , 12:00 PM

#1293

Ajezz

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I know this is BBV and all, but 4. b4 is just bad against the Qa5 Scandinavian. You give up a pawn for very unclear compensation. The main line with 0-0-0, Nf3-e5 and g4, f4 on the other hand is just so strong and basically plays itself.

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12-20-2010 , 06:15 PM

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Code:

[Event "Live Chess"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2010.12.20"]
[White "Cadaz"]
[Black "raul_melano"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1459"]
[BlackElo "1514"]
[TimeControl "10|8"]
[Termination "raul_melano won by checkmate"]

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.g3 e6 6.Bg2 Be7 7.O-O O-O 8.d4 Nc6 9.Re1 Nd5 10.Nxd5 exd5
 11.Ne5 Bf6 12.Bf4 Ne7 13.c3 c6 14.Qd2 Nf5 15.Re2 Be6 16.Rae1 Re8 17.Bh3 Nd6 18.Nxf7 Bxf7 19.Be6 Ne4 20.Bxf7+ Kxf7
 21.Qd1 Qb6 22.Re3 Qxb2 23.Qh5+ Kg8 24.f3 Qf2+ 25.Kh1 g6 26.Qg4 Nd6 27.Rxe8+ Nxe8 28.Qe6+ Kg7 29.Qd7+ Kg8 30.Rxe8+ Rxe8
 31.Qxe8+ Kg7 32.Qd7+ Kg8 33.Qe8+ Kg7 34.Qd7+ Kg8 35.Qe8+ Kg7 36.Qd7+ Kh8 37.Qe8+ Kg7 38.Qd7+ Kh8 39.Qe8+ Kg7 40.Qd7+ Kh8
 41.Qh3 Qxf3+ 42.Kg1 Qd1+ 43.Kg2 Qc2+ 44.Kf3 Qxc3+ 45.Kg2 Qc2+ 46.Kf3 Qc3+ 47.Kg4 Qxd4 48.Kf3 Qe4+ 49.Kf2 Bd4+ 50.Kf1 Qh1+
 51.Ke2 Qe4+ 52.Kf1 Qd3+ 53.Kg2 Qe2+ 54.Kh1 Qe1+ 55.Kg2 Qf2+ 56.Kh1 Qg1# 0-1

Seriously annoying game not only because I made several unsound moves but because I couldnt be bothered to just check the guy for 50 moves to force the draw (which he wouldnt accept). All this after clawing back what should be a completely lost game.

I would blame it on the alcohol but tbh it's standard. I might just force myself to play longer games where I actually think and dont just act like a moron.

Last edited by Cadaz; 12-20-2010 at 06:21 PM.

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12-21-2010 , 11:43 AM

#1295

RoundTower

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you know you can claim a draw when he repeats the position for a third time? I'd be shocked if chess.com didn't allow you to do that, it's a pretty major rule.

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12-21-2010 , 12:21 PM

#1296

All-inMcLovin

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Originally Posted by Ajezz

This.

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12-22-2010 , 04:53 AM

#1297

Cadaz

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Originally Posted by RoundTower

you know you can claim a draw when he repeats the position for a third time? I'd be shocked if chess.com didn't allow you to do that, it's a pretty major rule.

He didnt repeat the position three times. He had two squares he could move his king to.

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12-22-2010 , 06:47 AM

#1298

RoundTower

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Originally Posted by Cadaz

He didnt repeat the position three times. He had two squares he could move his king to.

The position after 31...Kg7 happened 5 times!

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12-22-2010 , 07:22 AM

#1299

Cadaz

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lol I've been misinterpreting the rule for god knows how long.

**** happens

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12-22-2010 , 12:06 PM

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All-inMcLovin

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Originally Posted by Cadaz

lol I've been misinterpreting the rule for god knows how long.

**** happens

lmaooooo

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