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09-11-2009 , 12:12 PM
Sigh I'm aware we both look like children.

Edit: Assuming Dire agrees, we'll take it to PMs.
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09-11-2009 , 12:16 PM
Lol, I just like playing. I also have no qualms losing - in fact I love being outplayed. I'm 99% sure it was SwingDoc I played on FICS one day for an epic session and he's up on me with some very entertaining games. But this guy just seems shady as **** which makes the games silly, especially when if what he says his rating is is true then he could play me on ICC about 20 times a day by just clicking "5-min" after I finish a game regardless of whether I want to or not, yet apparently he doesn't play online chess but snap throws out heads up challenges.
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09-11-2009 , 12:28 PM
Yeah I'm a pretty shady guy Dire.

There are people on this forum who know me IRL. FM YouKnowWho (a stronger player than either of us) and I drew in the Miami International last year. We then looked over the game. His friend made fun of me for not knowing which day of the week it was, which shows what a shady guy I am. Without Deep Rybka making my moves for me, I don't even know the date!

I also help out a tiny bit with a team in the US Chess League, which a 2+2 member runs. I played some games in the league last year as well. All I know about you is that you're some expat Westerner who lives in Thailand and has almost never played OTB chess in his life. I thought you got that I don't play on ICC lately, but maybe not. Whatever, I'll let you know as soon as I get an ICC account.

I'm done with this thread, later.
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09-11-2009 , 04:21 PM
Epic serious chess blitz internetness up in here

I'm getting intimidated by all the trash talk.

$5 on whoever is not Dire.
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09-11-2009 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dire
And it has nothing to do with the time controls. He is again showing he has absolutely no clue about the moves he's making. To make a move like e5 without immediately understanding why dxe5 is not good shows a basic lack of chess ability.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1066901

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1018015

I'd explain my point, but I'm too lazy to type that much now.
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09-11-2009 , 09:18 PM
I don't think you really understand the point. There are blunders and then there is completely misunderstanding basic ideas in positions. If you want random blunders there's a couple of great ones from Alekhine. He flat out hangs his queen in one game.
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09-11-2009 , 09:19 PM
lmao ive seen this before

so awesome
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09-11-2009 , 09:21 PM
Like I picture hanging e5 in the KID as little different than white doing something like: e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc Nxe5??????? e5 is similarly tactically defended in a basic fashion there. That is a blunder I doubt you'll ever find a very strong player make - similar with hanging e5 in the KID.
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09-11-2009 , 09:25 PM
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I don't think you really understand the point. There are blunders and then there is completely misunderstanding basic ideas in positions. If you want random blunders there's a couple of great ones from Alekhine. He flat out hangs his queen in one game.
Is a blunder really a "blunder" if the chess player is extremely drunk?

Or rather, just a consequence of being drunk?
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09-11-2009 , 09:28 PM
I would still call it a blunder. When you are drunk you don't lose internalized ability. That is, a drunk GM isn't going to suddenly start losing to 2000s. Alekhine nearly defended the world title while drunk.
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09-11-2009 , 09:31 PM
What about Tkachiev then?

/discussion
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09-11-2009 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dire
I don't think you really understand the point. There are blunders and then there is completely misunderstanding basic ideas in positions. If you want random blunders there's a couple of great ones from Alekhine. He flat out hangs his queen in one game.
Oh, I see. So if one blunders in the opening against Dire, it's a misunderstanding of the position, otherwise it's just a blunder.

Isn't it so fustrating to be lower rated than a player that doesn't understand every opening position in chess?
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09-12-2009 , 12:49 AM
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What about Tkachiev then?

/discussion
Wasn't he forfeited? Or are you thinking of something else?
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09-12-2009 , 04:00 AM
those idiots from northern europe with their lack of fundamental understanding. look honey how these morons keep overplaying the king's indian. if flag wasn't involved i'd win every game.
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09-12-2009 , 10:04 AM
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I would still call it a blunder. When you are drunk you don't lose internalized ability. That is, a drunk GM isn't going to suddenly start losing to 2000s. Alekhine nearly defended the world title while drunk.
Sadly, I've watched drunk GM's lose to players <2100 more than once. I've gotta run, but later today I'll post the tournament results with these games. They don't lose their understanding but they overlook both position and tactical aspects in their games ... sometimes really important ones.
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09-12-2009 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dire
I don't think you really understand the point. There are blunders and then there is completely misunderstanding basic ideas in positions. If you want random blunders there's a couple of great ones from Alekhine. He flat out hangs his queen in one game.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what basic idea are they misunderstanding in those games? You "hang" you e5 pawn in the KID because it is protected tactically. How exactly it is protected tactically depends on the position. Your opponents ****ed up the tactics. I still can't see how you go from that to they completely misunderstood the position. It's not like they played e5 in this position:



Or do you view that as an identical example of misunderstanding? Hm, that's an interesting thought, actually.
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09-12-2009 , 11:40 AM
Again, I really think it's silly to just defend it as they ****ed up the tactics. Re8 FORCES white to play one and only one move. He attacks my piece, shockingly enough I defend it, black is busted. e5 in your position I would call ****ing up the tactics. It requires at least a couple of moves of calculation and it's not immediately obvious that e5 hangs a pawn there. e5 in the Na6 KID leaves the pawn en prise. For an opening you're playing day in, day out, you'd think it might occur to you to ask yourself - boy I sure am leaving this pawn hanging alot. what would happen if they ever took it?

Again, like if in the spanish black played: e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc Nxe5? Qg5??? It's just a basic misunderstanding. If you're playing a tactical move hundreds of times, I'd think it's kind of insane to not ask yourself - boy what if he takes it. The fact even some fairly strong players don't bother with this is very encouraging for me.
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09-12-2009 , 11:45 AM
Actually Qg5 probably isn't even a sufficient enough example there since it's at least reasonable.

Let's say 5. .. Nf6 or whatever
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09-12-2009 , 06:23 PM
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Wasn't he forfeited? Or are you thinking of something else?
He was ruled out of time and lost that game on time.

He was NOT forfeited from the tournament, and came back close to winning it by the end of the tournament.

Use google much?
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09-12-2009 , 08:55 PM
You're misunderstanding the position, mclovin.
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09-14-2009 , 06:31 AM
The one downside to living in Thailand. Yay for getting constantly paired up against weakies in 15-min. 2 points when I win, -23 points when I get disconnected.
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09-14-2009 , 06:41 AM
On the upside. Found the sole surviving copy of basic chess endings in Thailand. Such an amazingly good book.
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09-14-2009 , 06:48 AM
brag: last opponent goes down i 1:30

beat: he was 1250
beat: I think he was overrated
beat: I got zero points for that game.

fml
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09-14-2009 , 08:07 AM
Finally had a good game. Most likely since I had no clue what was going on in the position, but at least it made for an interesting struggle.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 Nc6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. Nc3 Nge7 7. d3 d6 8. O-O
O-O 9. Be3 e5 10. Nd2 Be6 11. f4 Qd7 12. Nd5 Bh3 13. f5 Bxg2 14. Kxg2 gxf5 15.
Qh5 f4 16. gxf4 f5 17. Nf3 fxe4 18. Ng5 h6 19. Nxe4 Kh8 20. fxe5 Nf5 21. exd6
Nxe3+ 22. Nxe3 Bxb2 23. Qxh6+ Kg8 24. Rab1 Bd4 25. Kh1 Qh7 26. Qxh7+ Kxh7 27.
Rxb7+ Kh8 28. Rxf8+ Rxf8 29. Nd5 Rg8 30. h4 Ne5 31. Ndf6 Rg1+ 32. Kh2 Nf3+ 33.
Kh3 Rh1+ 34. Kg2 Bxf6 35. Kxh1 1-0

I very rarely see 3. c4? especially not matched up with 4. g3?

I didn't exactly refute it, but equalized easily at least. 12. .. Bh3 was unbelievably terrible. Literally any other half reasonable move ensures black a substantial advantage. I was planning on playing f5 after which his bishop would become very dangerous so it made sense at the time, but his idea with f5 and Qh5 was very good and leaves me with an unpleasant though defendable position. But my time trouble aided 19. .. Kh8 was just way too optimistic and out of touch with the position, after which white's job is simple.
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