$20 street game, rules if not explicitly stated

[airwave16]

i didn't realize street chess used the USCF rulebook.

[YouKnowWho]

That is not what I said :P I agree with the clock move in street chess just like most others ITT.. but DiR was talking about that rule in general, or so I understood at least.

[Do it Right]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

You call touch move ridiculous and then immediately say something which is EXACTLY why it is an absolutely necessary rule. Solid logic there :O

There's much more reasonable ways of stopping that. For instance simply creating a rule against 'floating' pieces - that is moving pieces without an intention of directly placing it on a new square. The first offense per game is a warning, the second offense requires you to move the 'floated' piece.

The the problem with the current system is that it works to take care of one relatively minor inconvenience, almost exclusively relegated to very amateur games, and instead introduces a million different possible angle shoots in games of all the way to the highest level. Judith Polgar getting freaked out that she didn't get to beat Kasparov because wasn't forced to move a piece he didn't want to move comes to mind. Not to mention the whole esotericism of the difference between a turn and a move leading to two people [legally] making moves at the same time without the clock being hit.

[All-inMcLovin]

To the OP:

He is not committed to the move, but he must move the piece if they are playing touch-move.

If they are not playing touch-move, but clock move, then he can make any other legal move.

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Quick aside, I hate the whole you make a move and your opponent makes a move before you hit the clock. I think it's stupid. You shouldn't be able to make a move until your opponent hits the clock (and thus completing their move).

[mightytiny]

Originally Posted by Do it Right

There's much more reasonable ways of stopping that. For instance simply creating a rule against 'floating' pieces - that is moving pieces without an intention of directly placing it on a new square. The first offense per game is a warning, the second offense requires you to move the 'floated' piece.

The the problem with the current system is that it works to take care of one relatively minor inconvenience, almost exclusively relegated to very amateur games, and instead introduces a million different possible angle shoots in games of all the way to the highest level. Judith Polgar getting freaked out that she didn't get to beat Kasparov because wasn't forced to move a piece he didn't want to move comes to mind. Not to mention the whole esotericism of the difference between a turn and a move leading to two people [legally] making moves at the same time without the clock being hit.

If memory serves right, Kasparov had his hand on a knight let it go on a square then picked it up and put it on another square. The first square would have been losing and Polgar knew it. The tourney had tv or video coverage and in super slo mo you could barely see Kasparov let go of the piece.

She thru a fit because it would have meant a woman beating the reigning world champ and it was in a tourney.

IMO that incident has no bearing whatsoever on the original question. Street game is clock move unless very specficially stated otherwise.

[TimM]

Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin

Quick aside, I hate the whole you make a move and your opponent makes a move before you hit the clock. I think it's stupid. You shouldn't be able to make a move until your opponent hits the clock (and thus completing their move).

Yes, I would go further and say a player is not allowed to touch a piece or even move his hand above the board until the clock is pressed.

[Ajezz]

The Kasparov-Polgar game is a bad example because Polgar never claimed Kasparov's rule violation. If she had claimed he would have had to move the piece to the first square.

Iirc, the whole episode is described in detail in the excellent book "Linares!, Linares!" by ten Geuzendam. The game must have been in 98 or 99.

[All-inMcLovin]

Originally Posted by TimM

Yes, I would go further and say a player is not allowed to touch a piece or even move his hand above the board until the clock is pressed.

This is an excellent rule. I don't know why it's not in use for all blitz/quick/playoff events now.

[PyramidScheme]

Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin

This is an excellent rule. I don't know why it's not in use for all blitz/quick/playoff events now.

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I think it should just be in effect for every game, even non-blitz, with a TD's discretion whether to invoke a 2 minute punishment or not

[A1mbot]

Where do you guys play for 20$ a street chess game? I want too

In tournaments you have to move/capture the piece you touched, although the move is illegal.
It is even possible if your opponent holds a piece while its ur turn (cuz he wants to act fast) you can just do any illegal move, capture his queen or something and your oppoent can't claim about it because he already touched a piece to make his move.

[smilingbill]

touch move : chess forum :: tipping : oot

[M07]

Street chess game is not usually touch-move but when the clock is hit.

[mightytiny]

Originally Posted by PyramidScheme

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I think it should just be in effect for every game, even non-blitz, with a TD's discretion whether to invoke a 2 minute punishment or not

Love the avatar. I remember when this happened and seeing the videos of it. Still gets a chuckle from me.

[valenzuela]

what is going on in the avatar?

[mightytiny]

2008 womens championship. I think it went to the last armagedon round where white needs to win and gets an extra minute on the clock (6 to 5). The person with the black pieces was supposedly banging out her moves as white was doing hers. White realized this, couldnt stop clock to call td, and got flagged. She then swipes the king off the board hitting an onlooker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNQjXHjRkNQ