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01-04-2012, 03:06 PM
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Tripod
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Norma's Diner
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Sorry but I'm already bored with the thread.
I hate reading longwinded arguments. People fall so in love with their own thinking that they are blind when the evidence presents itself.
I said a couple years back sexual orientation wasn't fixed. I just found the evidence....society is bearing it out now... and everyone on here thinks they will re-write the results to match their own moral values....atheists are so devious but they're only deceiving themselves....
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BINGO. Here it is. Splendour confirmed troll.
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01-04-2012, 03:25 PM
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#122
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veteran
Join Date: May 2008
Location: degenin' in AC
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Sorry but I'm already bored with the thread.
I hate reading longwinded arguments. People fall so in love with their own thinking that they are blind when the evidence presents itself.
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You haven't presented any evidence, just baseless assertion and correlation/causation fallacies.
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I said a couple years back sexual orientation wasn't fixed. I just found the evidence....society is bearing it out now... and everyone on here thinks they will re-write the results to match their
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What evidence? What do you mean it isn't fixed? Also, comparing rates of homosexuality today to rates in history is meaningless as, historically, many societies have been extraordinarily oppressive to homosexuality, thus forcing people to suppress or hide their sexuality and not self-report. I also acknowledge it's possible homosexuality rates change over time, but we have no way of knowing because historical rates are so clouded with oppression.
Do you really think there are no homosexuals in Saudi Arabia? As a society becomes more accepting of a behavior, people inclined toward that behavior become less compelled to hide it, thus showing a seeming increase in rates.
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own moral values....atheists are so devious but they're only deceiving themselves....
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Seeing stuff like this, I'm more inclined to agree with people saying you're just a troll.
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01-04-2012, 06:06 PM
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#123
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 11,366
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by Dominic
BINGO. Here it is. Splendour confirmed troll.
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No, she's just completely narcissistic and devoid of empathy. I'm convinced that she has absolutely no clue how ironic and hypocritical many of her statements appear to those of us who are sane.
I just wish everyone would put her on ignore so that she'd go away.
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01-04-2012, 07:40 PM
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#124
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Autoerotic Mummification
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by Hopey
I just wish everyone would put her on ignore so that she'd go away.
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This is definitely what needs to happen. I'll follow your lead, hopefully others will too.
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01-04-2012, 10:01 PM
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#125
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Essex, UK
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by Splendour
So you don't think being continually bombarded with the same idea through media and society doesn't wear down the human will and or confuse people into compliance?
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Prior to democracy, popular culture, and the "Information Age", state-sponsored religion continually bombarded people with ideas written down 2000 years ago. Illiterate peasants were confused into compliance by "elders" and "learned preachers".
When the western world got freedom from religious persecution, freedom from slavery, free education, one person one vote, human/civil rights, and the right to protest democratically, people started thinking for themselves.
If there is indeed any "wordly programming" going on, it is primarily a democratic programming. Programming for the people, by the people. It comes in reaction to 2000 years of religious programming; programming that modern, free-thinking humans are gradually rejecting.
The countries that are the most free are the ones that have clearly separated the state from religious dogma.
Give free internet to poor people in Africa or slums in South America, and they'll break free of it too.
And now back to your usual programming...
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01-04-2012, 10:44 PM
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#126
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adept old hand grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: in lak'ech
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
The thing you're sort of talking about is a meme: a thought-pattern injected into a culture that virally grows and replicates throughout the culture. imo, once it gets enough adherents adding energy, it becomes kind of a living stream of consciousness that's out there. The only difference between a worldly meme and a religious meme is the subject matter. The trinity, the pre-trib rapture are just as much memes as the gay meme that Splendour is trying to talk about.
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01-04-2012, 11:52 PM
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#127
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Golden, CO
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
sigh.
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01-04-2012, 11:56 PM
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#128
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adept old hand grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: in lak'ech
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
u mad bro?
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01-05-2012, 01:45 AM
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#129
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Golden, CO
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
Sure, a little. I had something else in my previous post, but thought better of it. I'm hoping you return the other thread to continue talking about some topics that you claim are memes like the trinity and Jesus' deity.
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01-05-2012, 02:00 AM
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adept old hand grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: in lak'ech
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming

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Click this youtube link, it'll help.
Last edited by ajmargarine; 01-05-2012 at 02:07 AM.
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01-05-2012, 02:43 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Golden, CO
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
I guess that's about as good as any of your other arguments.
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01-05-2012, 03:22 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,466
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
I'm blown away that people can be so similar yet so different. I guess an organ that grows to map it's own circuity is never going to be too similar to the next person's mind, but the amazing part is how/why definite paradigms and dichotomies develop that can be observed on large scales.
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01-05-2012, 07:57 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: I ain't been beat yet.
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
You haven't presented any evidence, just baseless assertion and correlation/causation fallacies.
What evidence? What do you mean it isn't fixed? Also, comparing rates of homosexuality today to rates in history is meaningless as, historically, many societies have been extraordinarily oppressive to homosexuality, thus forcing people to suppress or hide their sexuality and not self-report. I also acknowledge it's possible homosexuality rates change over time, but we have no way of knowing because historical rates are so clouded with oppression.
Do you really think there are no homosexuals in Saudi Arabia? As a society becomes more accepting of a behavior, people inclined toward that behavior become less compelled to hide it, thus showing a seeming increase in rates.
Seeing stuff like this, I'm more inclined to agree with people saying you're just a troll.
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LOL..I'm not a troll.
I didn't come here to be challenged though my thinking changes over time as I receive more and more info.
The people on here that come here to be "challenged" are only 2 or 3 people out of the hundreds of people posting.
I have no desire whatsoever to think like an atheist.
Especially since atheism seems like such a controlling subculture.
I'm a natural integrator and mostly people use their logic to throw away things instead of integrate things.
Look at all the people following Augustine by insisting on hell doctrine. You can read The History of God by Armstrong. Eternal hell doctrine is traceable to the thinking of one mind's viewpoint: Augustine's.
There's nothing in this world that says I can't familiarize myself with all church doctrines on my own (indeed I'm following God's directions when I do so). Nothing but the group or establishment.
I can assess info for myself. There's absolutely no reason one should ever surrender his reasoning faculty to group control. I managed to maintain my all important loyalty to God while spotting what I think is an inconsistent doctrine: eternal hell doctrine. I even backed the inconsistency with a biblical scholar's explanation repeatedly.
Some forum poster I don't even know in real life certainly isn't going to talk me in or out of any position. Especially when I don't even know their character in real life, their history and their motivations.
The mistake hell doctrine people make is thinking anything really depends on people and their puny strength or reasoning. It doesn't though God may let us think it does. God is in control of everything. If he wants to sit back and allow us to reason then why don't people allow it? Is it because they think it's necessary to be in charge of everything?
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01-05-2012, 08:20 AM
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#134
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: I ain't been beat yet.
Posts: 16,789
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
You haven't presented any evidence, just baseless assertion and correlation/causation fallacies.
What evidence? What do you mean it isn't fixed? Also, comparing rates of homosexuality today to rates in history is meaningless as, historically, many societies have been extraordinarily oppressive to homosexuality, thus forcing people to suppress or hide their sexuality and not self-report. I also acknowledge it's possible homosexuality rates change over time, but we have no way of knowing because historical rates are so clouded with oppression.
Do you really think there are no homosexuals in Saudi Arabia? As a society becomes more accepting of a behavior, people inclined toward that behavior become less compelled to hide it, thus showing a seeming increase in rates.
Seeing stuff like this, I'm more inclined to agree with people saying you're just a troll.
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It doesn't matter.
You really shouldn't let a forum influence you at all.
You can't really reach a conclusion about God by arguing over him.
Understanding on God topics requires a sincere search.
All the atheist propaganda is designed to do is disrupt the individual from making that search.
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter." (Proverbs 25:2)
Imagine letting some propagandized group reasoning keep you from following God's requirements. Isn't that the ultimate deception???
If I were you CDegen I wouldn't spend so much time on here. I would start to think for myself about what is important to God.
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01-05-2012, 08:43 AM
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#135
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: I ain't been beat yet.
Posts: 16,789
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Re: Worldly Programming Vs. Religious Programming
Oh and before anyone rails at this statement:
Especially since atheism seems like such a controlling subculture.
The fact is it is.
I've got 16,021 posts.
Do you think I haven't got at least between 1 and 5 insults for almost everyone of my posts and threads?
So let's estimate that I've been insulted 45,000 times over the course of nearly 7 years just for trying to help atheists.
I would say that's a pretty controlling subculture. It tries to rule people by shaming them into compliance.
Why would people want to shame me? When I only tried to be helpful?
From my point of view Splendour's just an ole "domesticated" lioness cutting through the jungle of the internet when she sees a lot of feral little cats. She says I can't leave them alone here in the wild with the big bad devil lion roaming around. Devil lions like to kill cubs...so I will give them a few survival skills....
That's all I ever did on here...
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