I know most posters on here think there's only religious programming of people. But I don't think so.

A lot of people that are paying attention don't think so. Television programs people, education programs people, religion programs people and their may be other ways to program people.

A few years ago in a gay thread I was challenged for asserting sexual orientation wasn't fixed and wondering if the gay rights movement would change things.

Well it turns out sexual orientation isn't fixed. At least not as fixed for girls as boys.

Article:
Why Are So Many Girls Lesbian or Bisexual?

Girls today are three times more likely than boys to be non-heterosexual. Why?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...an-or-bisexual

Has the last generation of social activism by the LBGT rights movement in conjunction with public broadcasting changed the way people are evolving? Has it deprogrammed their natural heterosexuality? Do environmental cues work on human nature to change it? Doesn't tv popularize ideas that people didn't accept in the past?

No. The article doesn't say more girls are bi or lesbian. Nor does it say that they changed. If you read it again you'll see why your post above is inaccurate.

Orientation isn't what we identify with? Since when? When we identify with something it leads to certain types of actions.

Article quote:

Psychologist John Buss estimates that for most of human history, perhaps 2% of women have been lesbian or bisexual (see note 1, below). Not any more. Recent surveys of teenage girls and young women find that roughly 15% of young females today self-identify as lesbian or bisexual, compared with about 5% of young males who identify as gay or bisexual (see note 2, below).

As a physician and a psychologist, what I found missing in the noise surrounding the Constance McMillen story was any serious discussion of why a growing number of girls self-identify as lesbian or bisexual. Not that there's anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld might say. But why are young women today at least three times more likely than their brothers to identify as bisexual or homosexual? "I kissed a girl and I liked it," Katy Perry told us in her #1 hit single. Megan Fox, Lindsay Lohan, Lady Gaga, Anna Paquin, Angelina Jolie, Drew Barrymore - they all want us to know that they are bisexual. There is no comparable crowd of young male celebrities rushing to assure us that they go both ways. Imagine a young man singing "I kissed a boy and I liked it." Would that song reach #1 on the charts? Why not? - end quote

Did you know they kill girl babies in China because they identify boys with the ability to carry on the family name. Several years back I read 20 to 30 million Chinese men have no female mates. I wonder what that number is today. A Chinese girl is now a rare enough commodity that she will only talk to the affluent guys who have cars. You can look up their personal ads. A lot of their ads are saying that.

Splendour is spending Christmas Eve reading up on lesbianism and perusing Chinese personal ads.

No, I came across the article a day or two ago. A friend told me about the ads.

Isn't it wonderful when science vindicates you?

Of course, everyone could have taken the shortcut and listened to God.

My generation of girls used to naturally think men were wonderful and to be respected but it looks like men now have some man made competition.

The God of the bible always tells women to respect men but the world and the world's hard lessons don't.

You won't find the bible describing men as "losers". It takes the world to teach that kind of thinking.

My apologies... I should be more clear. What is changing is that people are 'claiming' to be gay or bi. That doesn't mean the number of bi/gay actually changes, merely the number of people willing to admit it to themselves and in polls.

I'm sure you're familiar with the notion that a lot of people have been in denial particularly in repressive societies. It would be completely expected that as societies become more tolerant that less people would feel the need to deny their sexuality.

More people are self identifying now... That doesn't mean that decades ago there were less gays/bis. Merely that in time past with society being more intolerant that more people would not want to correctly self identify.

I'm willing to bet that if you could see those numbers broken down by countries you will find that, for instance, in countries where they murder gays the number of self identifying gays goes way down.

I don't accept your explanation.

People may be more malleable than they are repressed. Or it could vary by sex.

Either way I think the guys lose in the modern scenario. They can't even count on a natural respect from the majority of girls any more.

It doesn't matter if you accept my explanation since you believe what you want to believe regardless of truth. You're free to believe what you want but don't be confused or bothered when everyone disregards your posts since you clearly don't understand or care to understand how things work.

This thread is about programming.

Does the world influence people or doesn't it?

Wasn't the gay/bi rate of girls lower before the culture turned gay friendly or not?

You know getting along with and modeling yourself on a gay are two different things but in this world you can send mixed messages. There's a lot of pressure on girls to be hawt. You don't think you can change girls with the pressure from a socially prurient society? Of course, you can.

If you put enough pressure on somebody you can change just about anything about them.

It takes courage to stand up for yourself, identify right from wrong and say "cut the crap".

Yes, things were much simpler back in the 1950's.

That's before my time but I suppose June Cleaver on Leave It to Beaver is a pretty good example of a woman who accorded men natural respect.

How respectful do you think Kim Kardashian is dumping her hubby after 72 days?

Or some of the feminists today?

You really don't have to break the old reliables to change things but the media sure acts like it does. Anything to make a fast buck and get the ratings.

sure... That's what dozens are doing to you everyday.

From 2 percent to 15 percent? That isn't coming out of the closet that is social programming.

The most dangerous programing is FOX news obviously.

Splendour should try kissing a girl. She might like it.