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Tell me more, Im intrigued...

Sometimes.



You go ahead and run with those faulty ideas of what all Christians think and believe. You really are just making yourself look narrow-minded and puerile.

But I guess you need that strawman. Otherwise, the whole edifice of what you believe about others collapses.

I'm just having a hard time believing that you are serious.

Tell me once again how Moses stole all of his ideas from Plato and Socrates, why don't you?

It's a nice rhetoric, but this would imply that that atheists who are irreligious and/or critical of religion would be targeting deists most harshly of all religious believers.

But typically the opposite is true, deists are generally the ones least criticized.

Let me know when he reveals why he chose to send a tornado to Oklahoma and kill children in school. Mysterious ways...

So God lets over a 1000 people die in a collapsed building (etc etc etc and all the rest) but takes the time to give you little 'ah ha' moments? Have you ever worried that this is simply hubris? How do these interventions actually work, does he control your neurons to form the thoughts?

I didn't invent the 'god of the gaps' theory but I understand it. I'm applying it to you since you just professed to have read the creation story for 200th time, I'm assuming that you subscribe to it as an explanation for what we observe, please correct me if I'm wrong?

As I am with you and your divine light bulb moments claim.

Ah no, you've fallen for one of Aaron's little tricks. Plato and Socrates came up because AFAIK that's the earliest known mention of morality. If God handed down our moral laws then what were the Greeks talking about hundreds of years before that? Of course, I don't believe the story of the 10 commandments literally, do you?

I think it's far more likely that the commandments were 'added' as a means of control, especially since the first 4 are more about sustaining the belief system than moral behaviour.

This is probably how most post here...not thinking in advance but just start typing and the ideas come out. It's one reason why so many post suck.

Pretty much no expert (except maybe hardcore conservative scholars) would agree with you here. I know you will keep believing whatever you want anyway, but you should know that you are squarely in the minority here (depending on what extent you mean when you say "re-written")

What a bunch of crap. I thought we were past this. Old habits die hard, I guess? The underlined is of a fairly distinguished arrogance that you, with your afore-presented understanding of biblical exegesis should really temper down.
Also crap (not because it's entirely wrong but because you indiscriminately fling poo in every conceivable direction, figuring that something will somewhere hit home). Just because someone is an easy target doesn't mean that you don't have to at least make a modicum of an effort to aim.

Huh.

Repost of the great miracles of god. (I thought they were truly incredible so everyone should watch them.)

Mark 16:17-19
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.





changes an atheist


i like this one the most (awww man thats so cool at 4:18 he knew that he had a john in his family )


gives kids 100$ at 13 min in XD


Up for discussion.

Notwithstanding that you have already been told that there is a video thread specifically for this purpose...
What do you think is up for discussion? That medical conditions are not treatable diseases but are the result of evil spirits that can be commanded to leave the body? Or that many people are incredibly gullible?


All that aside, noober, I just suddenly felt the need to ask whether you know someone called David (or perhaps they prefer Dave)?

idk i just wanted to know your guys opinion on it
the evidence is right there for everyone real supernatural miracles

and no i dont know anyone named david

the point was that he knew he had a guy named John in his family so he could pray for him because god wanted to heal that persons back as well

There was no evidence is these videos, sorry. What were you really expecting to hear? An example of evidence might be if the girl who claimed to have holes in her heart valves (yes, I did watch some of them) had an MRI showing them, then this guy says "Leave evil spirit of heart valves" and an immediate follow-up MRI shows the heart valves are no longer there. This would not be conclusive evidence, but it would show that the person actually had a change in physiology, not just that they were asked "Do you feel different?" and responded "Yes".

If you don't know anyone called David, that's very unlikely. But in any case, the guy absolutely did NOT know there was someone named John in his family; he first guessed at the persons name, using one of the most common names in western society - and imagine how impressive it would have appeared if his name was John! Instead, he stepped down a notch to "well, how about anyone in your family?".

Have you never seen that done before?


eta: btw, I'm not trying to make fun of you, I am just commenting on how gullible many people are, and how little critical thinking they apply to things that they really want to be true. I really do think that gullible people can be encouraged to think more about why they accepted things without question.

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40 years of arthritis gone instantly


this is not just some gullible old man he really couldnt move his hands like that before

Thats because the only thing god did was put the name John into his thoughts and the guy knew it was put there for a reason so he was expecting it to be either the guys name or someone related to him.

nooberftw:

Courageous of you to post these videos in this dark atheist stronghold! Never mind the scoffers and mockers, especially if you know the true Word of G-d, Yeshua HaMashiach ( = "Christ Jesus" ), or the "Lamb of G-d" who takes away the sin of the world.

These videos are great because:

1) there is, according to the recipients, significant change that remains and is not easily explained away ( as opposed to the "fakes" with large audiences, which is explained away, e.g., by some Derren Brown video );

2) many of those that receive healing believe in Yeshua the Messiah ( "Christ Jesus" );

3) the glory and honor is directed to Yah and Yeshua;

so Praise Yah!


There are other healers out there, such as Pete Cabrera Jr., but I especially like the approach taken by Tom Fischer. I like Tom's approach mostly because:

1) he relies on the leading of the Ruach HaKodesh ( "Holy Spirit" );

2) he stresses that "Jesus loves everyone";

3) he freely gives out New Testaments and tells people to start with the gospel of John;

4) he gives money to many of the young people that are financially poor; I remember in one video, he gave $100 for three believers to share after healing them!

It doesn't matter if some people are skeptical of healing from "G-d"; what matters is that some people are genuinely better and have experiential knowledge of "G-d" through Yeshua the Messiah and if they are not already, become followers of Yeshua, i.e., sons and daughters of the "Living G-d". If someone is already a follower of Yeshua, they are encouraged by what "G-d" is doing today through believers and followers of Yeshua HaMashiach.


"Isn't that crazy?"

No, that's simply the power of "G-d" doing His Will on earth, which includes healing believers that want to be healed. Hallelujah!

You might want to check out Derren Brown's Miracles for Sale (an episode of a UK TV series that can be found on YouTube, Brown is an illusionist who exposes scams and tricks, akin to James Randi).

To quote: "...miracles are created by allowing the audience to be mislead about the extent of someone's real condition, and then presenting things they can already do as evidence of change, when actually they are just the same as they were before."

The video is a perfect example, with the healer asking the guy to flex his hands, touch his toes etc to demonstrate the guy was suddenly "healed". You said "this is not just some gullible old man he really couldnt move his hands like that before". We don't have any reason to think he was unable to move his hands beforehand. Also, getting caught up in the moment can result in adrenaline, endorphin etc being released and someone might genuinely feel different for those few minutes, not to mention the known effect of 'not wanting to disappoint the person interviewing you' (I think there is a term for this), so they respond positively to things like "I can feel something going on there, can you feel something?". There are also known techniques, such as biofeedback, that can have similar results on an individual's perception of their own pain.

Putting all that aside, you have decided to believe all this for whatever reason. This last guy was a Christian - why would this poor old man have to live in pain for over 40 years, and then in just a matter of seconds remove all that agony just because a stranger prayed? Can you rationalize that?

Never watched the videos but according to the posts above someone healed holes in a persons heart valves? If they have the healing powers to do that then they should be able to help out an amputee. I've got a feeling they're never gonna even attempt that for some reason...

A similar thing happens during many hypnotism performances

10/10 post mangler


tell that to the kid whos scoliosis was progressively healed over several weeks to where he didnt need back surgery anymore

2nd video 15:45

top muslim sees jesus and is healed and converted

maybe i found that video on this forum i dont remember but i love it

Do you even entertain any alternative thoughts about what might have happened to that kid over the period of time that his scoliosis improved? Do you reject that scoliosis patients can improve their prognosis without laying on of hands, but through physical therapy etc? Because it seems that you have been convinced by a <30 sec clip that provided very little information, and certainly no medical information whatsoever.

Can you see that it appears you believe something is happening that you want to be true, but there is not remotely enough information in these videos to conclude his efforts are having any effect. Maybe his prayers really do work, but there is nothing in these videos that actually demonstrates them doing anything.

If we forget for a moment that this guys efforts could severely harm someone that has a real medical condition, whether by asking them to do something they should not be doing, or that they stop receiving informed medical assistance when they need it....if we forget that for a moment, this guy and his wife do seem genuinely concerned about the well-being of others and he does not seem to be doing this for financial gain.

But I'll ask you this again: why do you think it was necessary for, say, the older guy with 40+ years of arthritic pain, to have gone through all that agony when all it took is this "healer" to say a short prayer? This poor man said he was a Christian, I'm sure he and/or his family already prayed over his condition. How do you respond to that?

Here's one of the healing videos I liked with Pete Cabrero, Jr. ( who likes finding atheists or agnotics ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-j8ZLZ_Fyg

Also, a warning from Tom Fischer to stay away from marijuana ( it can be a portal through which demons oppress human beings ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPYfvfU_3Ys

Of course, there are many other healing ministries out there, so test the "spirit" to find out the "fruit" - Is Hashem ( "G-d" ) given the glory, praise and honor? Are people led to follow Yeshua ( "Jesus" )? Ask for discernment through the Ruach HaKodesh ( "Holy Spirit" ). In the future, there will be more followers of Yeshua that will exercise the gift of healing, so it's prudent to recognize the counterfeit.

Praise Yah!

I'd like other theist regs' opinions on this, if possible...