What makes me a little angry is when people think because Christians cant find an immediate answer people will think that they are stuttering or something when it says all over the bible it couldnt be more clear the inferiority of human understanding and that the wisdom of god is unfathomable and its a very very biblical answer to just say "we dont know" but sometimes we make it worse by opening our mouths. God hasnt revealed everything yet.


Job 9:1-3
Then Job answered and said, I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable.

Jeremiah 51:17
Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.

Job 28:12-13
But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.

Romans 11:33
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!.

Psalms 147:5
Great is our Lord, and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

Isaiah 55:8-9
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Job 12:13
“With Him are wisdom and might; To Him belong counsel and understanding”.

Job 9:4
He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?

Job 36:5
Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth not any: he is mighty in strength and wisdom.

Proverbs 2:6
For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Daniel 2:20
Daniel answered and said, “Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, for wisdom and power belong to Him”.

Romans 16:27
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

James 1:5
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

If you had a discussion with him he would uterlly baffle you like he did to Job.

ghjAt the judgement seat you wont be able to say you werent accountable for your actions whatever way you want to say it like "you created me like this"

the bible says you wont be able to contend with him on even one point

and he will show you why youre wrong

hes not just going to be stunned when he hears that defense

When you stand before Allah (pbuh) you won't be able to say you didn't know that He is the one true God, and Muhammad is His Messenger because He told you so right in the Qur'an

Also, in Christian speak, I don't know = I know.

etc

That you would take guidance on how to live from the Bible, a chaotically cobbled together bunch of contradictory stories, copied and rewritten many times by unknowns with their own interpretations and agendas, improved and 'adapted' and full of stories of an immoral, brutal, jealous and cruel God, does not speak well for you. It's unlikely that you actually understand the Bible.

You might consider joining the ranks of more enlightened and advanced Christians, those who don't take the Bible literally and certainly don't base their morality on it.

More often than sometimes.

Why cant he show me Im wrong now? Instead of waiting till then, and then going "hahah, got you"

theres no contradictions in the bible (show me one)
theres no evidence they were rewritten
hes not immoral hes moral perfection
if you dont take the bible literally you are not a christian


hmmmmmmmm

because this

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

the people who are saying god is unrighteous
are they also the ones doing evil?

were lucky we even got 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 revealed to us
or i would have been PUZZLED

Wait, so its god who is sending me the delusion, then judging me for falling for the delusion?

god has made it as plain as day
and sends the delusion because the unrighteousness of men
they choose to be deluded so they can continue in their sin

god doesnt want you to continue in your sin he wants you to overcome the delusion and come to the knowledge of truth but how can a holy god not send a delusion if his people are going to eat it up so easily

they dont even want to be righteous

Just as the OT was superseded by the NT (the NT says so), the NT was superseded by the Qur'an (the Qur'an says so).

You should probably start the conversion process quickly, so you'll be judged mercifully by Allah (pbuh) when your time comes.


The first thing you need to learn for your conversion to Islam is that when you invoke the name of Allah (PBUH) you must add "Peace Be Unto Him" or some other token of worship immediately afterward. Through the miracles of 14th Century technology, we are able to shorten it to simply PBUH, knowing that Allah the Beneficent, the All-Knowing understands these heathen letters.

The Jews borrowed many practices from the pagan religions they arose from, including the animal sacrifices and giving alms to the poor that you mention. The ties between the Jewish religion and earlier pagan ones is a bit tenuous, lost in time, but the ties between Christianity and paganism are much clearer. Christianity borrowed the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and the dates of its most important holy days from paganism. Christianity even returned to its polytheistic roots with the doctrine of the Trinity--invented by Shaitan himself! This idolatry must be rejected by every true Muslim.

I understand that you're not there yet, but if you reject these pagan teachings now it will be easier to be found good in Allah's (PBUH) eyes when December 25th rolls around.

You should not get information about Islam from an extreme Christian web site, just as you would not want people to get their information about Christianity from an orthodox Jewish web site. Those infidels don't even PBUH Allah! (PBUH).


This is true, but only because Allah (PBUH) is not lazy. Your god gave lies to his prophets to lead his own people astray. Allah (PBUH) does his own dirty work.


Thousands of Christians are converting to Islam after reportedly hearing about dozens of virgins in heaven--and a special sale on hummus.

72 virgins per martyr apparently, I kinda feel sorry for the virgins. PBUH, is that where poobah comes from?

Well let's go for the soft target first. Do you take the bible literally and follow all it's instructions?

(I notice that you didn't deny that your God is brutal, jealous and cruel)

yes all of it is literal
i dont follow the jewish law only jesus
continually growing in his instruction

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


god is jealous i agree
Exodus 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

and brutal to the wicked only , were all wicked though so you must obtain mercy and its a guaranteed promise he will never treat you bad ever

was god brutal all those quadrillion years before time when there wasnt any kind of violence what so ever

no it says he takes no pleasure in the death of him that dieth

Ezekiel 18:32
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Does that mean you only take the New Testament literally and follow it's instructions?

no i take the old testament literally as well but the law in it is not written for my instruction that was for the jews in israel under the old covenant

i still believe in creation and all the history in the OT happened as a literal fact
because they are god inspired scriptures so although i might not read in it nearly as much its still incredibly important and eternally significant

the law is still good for knowing right and wrong directly from god but you arent under the bondage anymore because christ fulfilled it

but whatever jesus reinstated or when he gives a new commandment, you have to obey

So what exactly is it that you do take from the Bible if you don't follow any of it's instructions?

I wouldn't give up on the hard questions. I want to know. I tell God that I want to know. And I study and meditate in faith, earnestly expecting an answer.

Oddly enough, most of the time, the answers have come as I was typing responses to posts here. I would have no clue how to respond to this particular objection, and I'd just start typing and groping around, and bam -- a moment of enlightenment. Or even slowly and carefully reading and re-reading a difficult text of scripture.

How many times have I read the creation story? Maybe a hundred or two hundred times.

Just yesterday I re-read it, and saw about five different things I had never "seen" before: little missed details that might clue me in to some greater, overall picture or understanding.

Have faith. Be open to new ideas. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, Christ said. Be open to his guidance.

Don't get me wrong, I am Christian from Croatia, probably most conservative Catholic country in Europe. If you think that Bible is written literally you totally missed the point of Christianity. The Bible is concepted methaphorically to leave you with thinking about different issues. These guys in babylon didn't exactly build that tower, it just says how people always have had intention to play gods on Earth etc. etc.

Hey Noober, where'd ya go? Can you answer this question or not?

You think God is giving you lightbulb moments?

Why do you need new ideas? You have faith. Don't trouble yourself with anything, God will fill the gaps in your understanding, you don't actually need to know why or how. Suspend critical faculty, it's completely necessary.

...he's self-banned for two weeks.

Atheists have a pretty sweet gig ...

If you don't know an answer -- they get to say, "HA! Told you religion couldn't provide all the answers!"

However, if they don't know the answer -- they get to say, "Well, we're gonna keep searching and, one day, we might know."