I thought this was a simple concept, but apparently it's not. LOL

What is this morality you guys speak of? Where did it come from, how do I find out what is acceptable and what is not and who decides? how do i find the specifics and details of morality?

Tell us the process by which God decides what is moral and we will use the same method.

First of all, those are all very good questions to ask (and never in a sarcastic rhetorical way). I'm not making any speculation as to what your tone is; I'm just saying those are questions that would make the world a better place if more people asked.

I don't feel comfortable giving a definite answer. In fact the people who seem to have a definitive answer, are often those that give answers farthest from the truth.

Furthermore, in regards to the direction this thread has taken between you and several other posters, I don't think anyone is debating you on morals whatsoever. It really is just your grasp of the Golden Rule.

Let me give my attempt. Please hear it out:

"All cats are mammals. Not all mammals are cats."

You are making an "all mammals are cats" type of mistake. You are assuming that an individual has a belief system because the individual made any action whatsoever. So, assuming that people DON'T want people to steal from them (because let's not be stupid), it's like this:

"No Golden Rule followers are thiefs. Not all non-thiefs follow the Golden Rule." (e.g., some people don't ever consider stealing because they have no need to, and it actually takes effort)

It's really simple. The fact that you asked a question about morality, means that nothing, including the Golden Rule, is assumed. So why in the world would you assume a thief is stealing because he's trying to be moral??? How does that make sense?

Because there is no morals?

A. Are not is
B. That is a dependent clause not an independent one.
C. Is that even a question?
D. To whom is it directed?
E. What are you actually asking?

Why is stealing considered immoral in the first place?

Why are you assuming that "No Golden Rule followers are thiefs. Not all non-thiefs follow the Golden Rule". I dont see how you come to that conclusion.

Is it not possible that there can be a thief that does follow the golden rule?

Somehow reminded me of this thread: Random act of kindness (LC)

Of course there are morals. Many people have them. I have them. You may not, but that does not mean they do not exist.

While stealing? Only if that thief enjoys being stolen from and cannot imagine that others do not. In general while that could exist it would probably fall in the category of mental illness. Have you ever met a person who enjoyed being stolen from? Do you enjoy and wish to be stolen from?

If not, then you certainly cannot steal and imagine that you are behaving morally.

So why ask all of these questions? Do you imagine that you are raising deep and profound issues that will create insight and understanding? Or are you trying to reconcile your own lack of morality. Hmm, what would Occam's Razor lead one to believe?

You feel wronged when people steal form and hurt you so that cant be it.

Are there morals? They are tangible, real things? As far as I can see, they are made up, human concepts, not real at all. They are useful concepts, but only concepts, not real.

Batair,

So when you feel that someone has hurt you and has wronged you, that makes those actions immoral?

Is that the case for everything? or is that just your subjective preference?

RLK,

People steal from me all the time and I'm cool with that, theres not a lot I can do about it. Please come and take my empire of dirt as long as I can do the same I'm cool with that also.

If immoral means what is wrong according to me. Yes when someone has wronged me i think its wrong and immoral.
Its subjective. Everyone (pretty much..) has their own idea of whats right and wrong to them.