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Old 11-05-2010, 09:52 AM   #46
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The fact that it is the truth.

My guess is that within 100 years or so atheism/naturalism/materialism will probably close to extinct, or at least relegated to that of YECism. Within 500 years people will snicker at how those silly uninformed people of the past actually didn't know there was a creator and that some actually believed that everything we see was a series of millions of really happy accidents.
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lulz why so defensive about this?
It's Concerto. Have you ever known him to say anything that wasn't best read in a sneer?
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:01 AM   #47
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The fact that it is the truth.

My guess is that within 100 years or so atheism/naturalism/materialism will probably close to extinct, or at least relegated to that of YECism. Within 500 years people will snicker at how those silly uninformed people of the past actually didn't know there was a creator and that some actually believed that everything we see was a series of millions of really happy accidents.
100 years? bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:08 AM   #48
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100 years? bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
What? You think only 50? I was trying to be conservative.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:38 AM   #49
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You heard it here first folks, god will reveal himself with binding proof to the masses within a hundred years. Luckily with how fast technology is advancing, Ill probably be alive to see it.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:18 PM   #50
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The fact that it is the truth.

My guess is that within 100 years or so atheism/naturalism/materialism will probably close to extinct, or at least relegated to that of YECism. Within 500 years people will snicker at how those silly uninformed people of the past actually didn't know there was a creator and that some actually believed that everything we see was a series of millions of really happy accidents.
This is quite ridiculous. First off naturalism/materialism can never go away on it's own accord. People will of course still use math and science to understand the universe and make things. If anybody can make a confirmed falsifiable prediction that shows that Zeus or angels exist, it will become part of naturalism. I know you don't understand what atheism and naturalism are, but it doesn't mean they are the same thing.

What you say is only possible if moron christian or muslim fascists basically control the whole world in Stalinist regimes.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:50 PM   #51
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The fact that it is the truth.

My guess is that within 100 years or so atheism/naturalism/materialism will probably close to extinct, or at least relegated to that of YECism. Within 500 years people will snicker at how those silly uninformed people of the past actually didn't know there was a creator and that some actually believed that everything we see was a series of millions of really happy accidents.
if monotheism is false do you believe do you believe it will be totally gone in 100-500 years?
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:05 PM   #52
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Mmmm...bacon...

And in Francis' day, depth in philosophy would bringeth your mind about to not being burnt at the stake even if it skipped religion. And who likes burnt Bacon?
didn't see that one coming.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:12 PM   #53
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This is quite ridiculous. First off naturalism/materialism can never go away on it's own accord. People will of course still use math and science to understand the universe and make things.
I doubt math and science are going anywhere soon but materialism could. If immaterialism supplants materialism, I'd imagine it would unwind the effects the clockwork schema of the last few centuries had on society's worldview. If matter is not the foundation of reality, there aren't a whole lot of other options on what that foundation could be.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:29 PM   #54
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The point is that creating a dichotomy between materialism and theism is incorrect. We are all materialists now. Everybody takes medicine or has surgery when they are sick. Everybody accepts that 99.9% of the stuff we observe is explained (and can be predicted) with basic scientific laws. When jib says people will laugh at something that almost always works and is the only way to make sucessful predictions that can be tested he is either lying, grossly incompetent or both.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:36 PM   #55
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This is quite ridiculous. First off naturalism/materialism can never go away on it's own accord. People will of course still use math and science to understand the universe and make things. If anybody can make a confirmed falsifiable prediction that shows that Zeus or angels exist, it will become part of naturalism. I know you don't understand what atheism and naturalism are, but it doesn't mean they are the same thing.

What you say is only possible if moron christian or muslim fascists basically control the whole world in Stalinist regimes.

What does math and science have to do with anything? Your post makes little to no sense. You do realize that you can believe that the natural world is not all there is and still do these things, right?

And if you want to redefine natural as in anything that exists, well then you have basically defined nothing at all. Your basically saying "Naturalism/materialism is the belief that everything that exists, exists" Only an arrogant atheist could come up with something like that and think that it is acceptable.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:00 PM   #56
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What does math and science have to do with anything? Your post makes little to no sense. You do realize that you can believe that the natural world is not all there is and still do these things, right?
Math and science are the language of what you call "naturalism". Many theists (and almost all of the smart ones) are naturalists. In that they believe in the validity of experiments and math to describe nature. That will likely never go away. You are equating that with atheism but you do not understand either one so nothing you say makes sense

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And if you want to redefine natural as in anything that exists, well then you have basically defined nothing at all. Your basically saying "Naturalism/materialism is the belief that everything that exists, exists" Only an arrogant atheist could come up with something like that and think that it is acceptable.
That is not a redefinition of natural, that is just the definition. We don't know everything about nature (quantum gravity for starters) but if some theory gets confirmed it becomes part of what is natural but not before.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:12 PM   #57
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Math and science are the language of what you call "naturalism". Many theists (and almost all of the smart ones) are naturalists. In that they believe in the validity of experiments and math to describe nature. That will likely never go away. You are equating that with atheism but you do not understand either one so nothing you say makes sense



That is not a redefinition of natural, that is just the definition. We don't know everything about nature (quantum gravity for starters) but if some theory gets confirmed it becomes part of what is natural but not before.
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Naturalism is a philosophy, a metaphysics or ontology that posits a particular picture of reality, being, and existence that excludes the supernatural.[1]
So what is supernatural then? Are you meaning to say that supernatural is that which does not exist? So if God is real he is apart of the material world?

As far as most theists, you are right that they believe science is the language of the natural world, but that has nothing to do with whether or not they believe that the natural is all that exists. In fact, if one is a theist it almost immediately precludes him from believing the natural world is all there is as that would mean God does not exist.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:14 PM   #58
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I just read somewhere a study about how religiosity declines amid technology, economic stability, and increased education, and grows amid poverty, etc.

I really do think that religion is on the way out. At least people who take religion very seriously. I worry somewhat about what's going to happen when isolated fundamentalists take a more us vs. them mentality though. That might not be good. But I do hope to one day live in a world where rationality takes precedent over myth eventually.
And how is any of that causal?

How do you know they don't just distract from spending time on functions that develop spirituality?
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:33 PM   #59
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And how is any of that causal?

How do you know they don't just distract from spending time on functions that develop spirituality?
so long as the correlation holds, causality is irrelevant.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:34 PM   #60
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since apparently both atheism and theism are religions, no.
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