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Wrong. The one who promised eternal life was the one who rose from the dead. Not the ones who wrote the Book.

No. I'm saying in order for us to have free will, we should have the option to allow Satan to enter into our hearts, which in turn allows him to enter into the world. Adam and Eve chose to allow Satan into their hearts, which, as a result, corrupted our world.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying God doesn't heal people. I believe their have been situations where he has (not only in the Bible, but during this present time). But people start to think that prayer can do it, and I don't think it can. If God wants to heal someone, he will do it whether we pray or not. He knows what we want before we ask for it, so why ask for it?

His Will is greater than my hopes. If my daughter gets murdered the day after I pray to God for her safety, does that mean there is no God or that he doesn't care about my daughter? No. It can either mean there was a reason for it, or that he couldn't control it because of someone else's free will. I can't say I know why, but what I can say is that I can trust him to make things right in the end.

After all, if he is God, he is God, no matter what kind of God he is. You can't say "he isn't God" just because you don't like him. First I accepted that he was God, then I learned to accept who God was. Many people accept that he is God, but turn their back because of some of the things he's done that they can't explain. These people are obviously missing the power and grace of God! Did I say earthly grace? No. I'm referring to the grace that saves us from the Hell we would be doomed to had Jesus not come to forgive us of our sins. I'm talking about ultimate grace, which there is no doubt in my mind God does have.

Yeah I take that back. I was in a rush to type that before church this morning... I meant that God doesn't heal people uppon request.

sorry for being unclear

That's funny, the bible says he does.

Matthew 6:5-6:13

5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.

Verses 7 and 8 are the reasons for my "odd theology".

Rather than praying for the safety of my loved ones, I pray as Jesus commanded us to do. I pray that his Will be done. He knows I want my loved ones to be safe, but what I need to let him know through prayer is that I accept him, no matter what happens to my loved ones.

Exodus 15:26: "...If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee." (KJV)

II Kings 20:5: "...Thus saith Jehovah, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee..." (ASV) Here, God tells Isaiah to inform Hezekiah that God has heard his prayer and seen his tears, and that He will cure him of a serious boil.

Psalms 34:17-19: "The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all." (KJV)

Psalms 103: "Bless the Lord, O my soul,...And forget none of His benefits; Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; Who healeth all thy diseases;" (KJV)

Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV) This is a reference to the "suffering servant" in Isaiah which many Christians believe prophesied about Jesus. The Hebrew word napha can refer to physical or spiritual healing. Here it is translated simply as healed. It is not clear whether physical or spiritual healing or both is intended here. However, the references to transgressions and iniquities might imply that it is spiritual healing.

Isaiah 57:18-21: "I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. I create the fruit of the lips: Peace, peace, to him that is far off and to him that is near, saith Jehovah; and I will heal him. But the wicked are like the troubled sea; for it cannot rest, and its waters cast up mire and dirt. There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked." (ASV) From these and previous verses, God appears to promise healing to all those, both far and near, with a contrite and humble heart. For those who do wicked deeds, there is apparently neither peace nor healing.

Jeremiah 30:17: "For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith Jehovah; because they have called thee an outcast..." (ASV) God promises Jacob that his enemies will be vanquished, and that Joseph will be healed. Subsequent passages promises Jacob that his descendants "shall be my people, and I will be your God.."
Hosea 6:1: "Come, and let us return unto Jehovah; for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up." (ASV)

Matthew 7:7-11: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, who, if his son shall ask him for a loaf, will give him a stone; or if he shall ask for a fish, will give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" (ASV)

Matt 21:22: "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." (ASV)

Mark 16:18 "they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (ASV) This passage appears to be a forgery. They are verses not written by the author of the Gospel of Mark but added by an unknown, later editor.

John 15:7: "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you. This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." (ASV)

James 5:14-15: "Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him." (ASV) This appears to be a guarantee of recovery for anyone who goes through a specific religious ritual, led by elders from his church. Not only healing would be automatically accomplished, but the formerly ill person would have his sins forgiven.

Romans 8:32 "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?" (ASV)

When you pray that God heals you, you expect something from God, which I'm pretty sure we shouldn't do. I know he CAN heal me, but I don't expect him to.

I read those verses that you posted earlier. To me, they all sound like he is referring to afterlife. He heals us when he resurrects us. But I could be wrong, so I ask that you give me time to get some of the opinions of my elders before I say too much more about those verses.

Really?

The verses that say, specifically "whatever ye ask for in prayers, ye shall receive" and refer to god as "he who healeth all thy diseases" are not sufficient evidence that the bible claims god will heal people?

Really?

If these passages do not make it obvious to you that the bible has claimed god will heal people relatively often then there really is no point in talking to you since it will be clear to anyone with a low functioning brain that you believe whatever you want to believe without regards, and I will put you on ignore immediately.

Maybe he isn't speaking literally. I'm just saying it's very possible that those mean "he who asks for forgiveness will receive it and be healed." Like I said, give me time to learn more about it before I say too much more.

lol

Right, so when the bible says [you will receive whatever you wish for in prayer] and that [god can heal any illness] that actually means that when people ask in prayer to be healed, the vast majority of the time they in fact won't be healed?

Awesome book for the all-knowing being to have associated himself with.

Maybe what you should learn here is from me.

But of course, that thought never crossed your mind.

Go google an apologetics site and come back I guess is the plan now?

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****.

"fail" and "lol"... very thought provoking responses.