This doesn't make the disciples look to good. It means none of them asked to end war, hunger, hate.....

WRONG! That's not how laws of science work at all. Your ignorance is nauseating and baffling in one fell swoop.

Educate yourself because you are so wrong it's not even funny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law#Examples

Why don't you tell me where the "law of regenerative human limbs" would fit into this list? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science

It wouldn't.

p.s. Do you know how to spell the words "explanation" and "description?" You misspelled explanation 5 times and description 2 times. You might want to work on that, those are common words. It inexcusable to misspell those words in this day in age, you have the world at your fingertips why don't you use it to better yourself?

Baseless and foundless assertion.

You mean, we should play games, wasting our lives, on frivolous activities-- a lifestyle sold to us by a middle class priesthood that is beset by sexual and mental dysfunction, stoned on prozac and television, with their children committing suicide at record rates? Yoga and Emeril? Flying a kite or mindless coding?

We've seen the fruits that your godless society produces:
Mobs in the street rioting out of hopelessness and despair.

Why would any christian who has the peace of God in his heart ever take anything this generations' secularists have to say seriously?

Can you elaborate what you mean here? I don't follow..

Can you elaborate what you mean here? I don't follow..

Like I said, use my comments with caution, it may make you a happier person. If you have no interest in being a happy person, I understand your worldview totally. The thing about my comments is it actually takes work to actualize that happiness, and it makes the happiness all the more sweet and real. Your version is the laziest attempt to achieve happiness the world has ever seen. All you gotta do is believe in something. Happiness is something worth having, and things worth having are not delivered in your lap without any effort. That's a child's mentality, something I grew away from long ago......

Seas weren't created to part either. The claim is that miracles happen. Christians claim that they or others are the recipient of miracles all the time. Therefore, it stands to reasons that amputees should be a part of this group and undergo a miracle now and then. Yet, they are batting 0% so far. It's perfectly logical to ask, why?

From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law

No where in that description of a physical/scientific law does it include a requirement for an explaination as Sklansky suggested. All that is required for a law of regeneration of amputated limbs is a pattern of such observations. If all leggless people clapped their hands and said "I wish I had legs" and poof they had legs.....well then the law of amputated limb regeneration would state that leggless people who clap their hands and verbally wish for restored limbs have their missing legs restored.

Sorry about the misspellings....I will try harder.

Please.

Erect strawman.
Punch own strawman in face.
(Prove anything?)

You keep pursuing happiness.
I'll keep the peace of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

You keep pursuing satisfaction.
I'll remain satisfied.

You are more than welcome to flit about in your life, like a sex-and-the-city street trooper.
But I can save you a lot of wasted time.

While you are searching for a spiritual passion and spiritual fulfillment in the flesh, you are going to find, at bottom, that there are only three things you are truly passionate for:
1. sex
2. food
3. family.

It's going to be hard to satisfy a self-conscious being's spiritual appetites with those things, however.
And so you are going to furiously code, or furiously play, and "work," as you call it to discover something that can't be worked out, no matter how much you code or how many different hobbies you take up.
It has to be found, not earned.

Superstition leads to delusion.

Those things would be classified as miracles. Thus, regrowing limbs and body parts would be miraculous.

You mean if. If it happens, then we'll have another discussion.

Healing from disease is not the same as healing from an amputation. Surely, you're not comparing the two.

I don't know, ask a Christian.

(I knew that)

Meh. Logic doesn't = common sense.

Several general properties of physical laws have been identified (see Davies (1992) and Feynman (1965) as noted, although each of the characterizations are not necessarily original to them). Physical laws are:

* True, at least within their regime of validity. By definition, there have never been repeatable contradicting observations.
* Universal. They appear to apply everywhere in the universe. (Davies, 1992:82)
* Simple. They are typically expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. (Davies)
* Absolute. Nothing in the universe appears to affect them. (Davies, 1992:82)
* Stable. Unchanged since first discovered (although they may have been shown to be approximations of more accurate laws—see "Laws as approximations" below),
* Omnipotent. Everything in the universe apparently must comply with them (according to observations). (Davies, 1992:83)
* Generally conservative of quantity. (Feynman, 1965:59)
* Often expressions of existing homogeneities (symmetries) of space and time. (Feynman)
* Typically theoretically reversible in time (if non-quantum), although time itself is irreversible. (Feynman)

Often those who understand the mathematics and concepts well enough to understand the essence of the physical laws also feel that they possess an inherent intellectual beauty. Many scientists state that they use intuition as a guide in developing hypotheses, since laws are reflection of symmetries and there is a connection between beauty and symmetry. However, this has not always been the case; Newton himself justified his belief in the asymmetry of the universe because his laws appeared to imply it.

Physical laws are distinguished from scientific theories by their simplicity. Scientific theories are generally more complex than laws; they have many component parts, and are more likely to be changed as the body of available experimental data and analysis develops. This is because a physical law is a summary observation of strictly empirical matters, whereas a theory is a model that accounts for the observation, explains it, relates it to other observations, and makes testable predictions based upon it. Simply stated, while a law notes that something happens, a theory explains why and how something happens.

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How would the law of human regenerative limbs be described by a math equation? There is a reason why there are now laws listed in that URL that fall under biology/human anatomy.. But that's what college is for or self directed study..

It's like you are stuck in a loop of science fails and until you remedy that you will continue to loop.

Nice post overall.

Anyways we live in a world that is described by math and if it is possible for something to be observed then I would think it is possible for that something to be described by math.

Are you suggesting that for something to be a miracle then it can't be described by math?

I would consider a supernatural God healing something/anything that wouldn't of been healed otherwise miraculous and a miracle. You dont? Because that means God didn't do many healing miracles at all.

No i mean when. That is as long as we dont kill ourselves off its just a matter of time.
Healing an incurable thing is healing an incurable thing. According to you (i dont know how you know this maybe you can show me a verse limiting Gods miracle healing otherwise ill think you and Stu are pulling it out of your posteriors) God heals what he created to heal. Since humans have not always healed form all things it would mean the things we didn't heal form in the past dont get healed today just like amputees dont. Surely you understand.

Great way to deflect the question.

Uh, yeah? I do? What are you trying to say here? If I somehow survive exposure to the Ebola virus, or my immune system defeats AIDS, then those are ****ing miracles.

Ironically, that's a rather massive leap of faith. You're assuming first that it's even possible.

It's simple, really. If something happens when it clearly shouldn't happen - something incredibly anomalous, like limb regeneration - then that's a miracle. Divine freaking intervention.

This isn't politics. Take that cheesiness elsewhere.

No thats not what im saying. Im saying if a supernatural natural God intervenes and heals anything that would not of been healed otherwise it is miraculous and a miracle. Even if it was the common cold.

Its not ironic at all. Ive never claimed not to have faith.
You dont seem to be understanding my point(s). And i dont want to make it again.


No bible verse supporting your position that God only heals what can be healed?

Are you serious?

Here's some info that does solve the issue but may give some insight:

Apparently even the Bible shows that God does not always grant exactly what Christians pray for. In the passage below, Paul prays for a thorn to be removed from his body and is denied this specific request but gets something else.

<< 2 Corinthians 12 >>New International Version 7To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


Of course, this event seems to conflct with the passages mentioned earlier as the Bible’s support for the power of prayer:

• If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:22]
• If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
• Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
• Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
• Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

Bible scholars explain this by saying that some of these passages mean something different when seen in their context , and that God would not grant requests that harm us or others, and that God grants what we need not what we want.

Exactly! Who needs freakin arms! So,obvious when you think about it.

Yep again. "Nothing" is actually a combination of "NOT" and "Hing", a soft gelatinous mass. "Impossible" is a combination and corruption of terms "IMP" and "OSSIBLE" meaning that soft gelatinous masses ( subjects difficult to get a handle on) will be merely mischievously bone-like to you. Context of the times and multiple translations issues divide the words properly.

What are we really talking about here?

What's the essence of what we're talking about?

Well that's all good and dandy when analyzing why any one given individual (ie: the self) doesn't get what one prays for, but when you analyze amputees as a set of people, compared to other sets such as the miraculous cancer cure set or the get the good promotion set or can my dad stop drinking set literally any other set you can think of, it becomes quite clear that god always says no to the amputee set, but occasionally says yes to just about every possible set you can think of.

What I am suggesting to people who are addicted to Christianity is that they ask why their god is confined to the set of biologically possible "miracles"..

And why is it that the Bible is so rife with physically IMPOSSIBLE miracles, yet in modern recorded history we literally have 0 evidence of physically IMPOSSIBLE "miracles" occurring?

What has changed since biblical times besides the fact that we as a species are much more intelligent, advanced, and have an increased ability to put extraordinary claims to a real objective test?

The proof is in the pudding, problem is when you're fat you eat the pudding too fast to notice what you are ingesting. Food addiction can be a terrible thing..

oops , meant "doesn't solve"

Well stated.

The "God Helped Me On My Final Exam" set.

ty Jesus

And God ALWAYS says "Yes" to the "change this bread and wine into Jesus" set.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchari...substantiation

According to the Catholic Church, when the bread and wine are consecrated by the priest at Mass, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the Most Precious Body and Blood of Christ.

Every week. And it works every time.