Why won't God heal amputees? - Page 2 - Religion, God, and Theology

On April 27 of 1641 the archbishop of Zaragoza pronounced a judgment, thereby officially declaring the authenticity of the miracle. At the end of the year Pellicer was also invited to the royal court at Madrid, where King Philip IV knelt down before him and kissed the leg. Recordings also show that the restored leg was the same one as that which had been amputated two and a half years before, for it could be reidentified through some bruises and scars that were there before the amputation. Also, the hole in the cemetery of the hospital of Zaragoza in which the leg had been buried was excavated and found empty.

Pretty Cool huh?

The point is you can't really claim God has never healed an amputee.

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09-26-2011 , 11:53 AM

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Pretty Cool huh?

The point is you can't really claim God has never healed an amputee.

What?! Because of one highly suspect case from hundreds of years ago?

Why did you only quote that part of VP$IP's post that you agreed with while neglecting the part that disputes the truth of the whole affair? You can't just pick one part of the story while completely ignoring all the other parts that don't agree with your point. Imagine what'd happen if people started doing that with, say, The Bible... oh... wait....

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09-26-2011 , 11:58 AM

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What?! Because of one highly suspect case from hundreds of years ago?

If God healed more than one amputee it would no longer be a miracle but rather the occasional restoration of an amputated limb would be a law of physics.

How many people did Christ raise from the dead? I'm not sure since I never actually read the bible myself but I believe it to be just Lazarus...the other person Christ claimed was just sleeping(or unconscious).

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Belief in God is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a significant portion of the population to be delusional.

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09-26-2011 , 12:00 PM

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I'm saying expect specific miracles to only happen once in human history....if they are repeatable then its a scientific discovery.

Edit: I quoted VP$IP's entire post...but I see that now more has been added to it. He must have put in a ninja edit.

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09-26-2011 , 12:04 PM

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Fair enough, I apologise. But you still can't claim that one highly suspect case is proof of God doing anything.

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09-26-2011 , 12:07 PM

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Fair enough, I apologise. But you still can't claim that one highly suspect case is proof of God doing anything.

For what its worth, I am suspect of the miracle of calanda....however my point stands that we should not expect more than one given miracle of a particular type....otherwise it really isn't a miracle anymore.

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09-26-2011 , 12:10 PM

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What about the word "Miracle" implies that it can only occur a finite number of times?

Also, if you agree its dubious evidence at best, why even present it? It isn't proof of anything

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09-26-2011 , 12:11 PM

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Why does it have to be classed as a "mircale"? Why shouldn't God just answer the prayers of all the amputees that pray to him and heal their limbs?

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09-26-2011 , 12:18 PM

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Why does it have to be classed as a "mircale"? Why shouldn't God just answer the prayers of all the amputees that pray to him and heal their limbs?

If the many worlds hypothesis is true then perhaps He does.

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09-26-2011 , 12:19 PM

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On April 27 of 1641 the archbishop of Zaragoza pronounced a judgment, thereby officially declaring the authenticity of the miracle.

Lol this is alleged to have happened 370 years ago? it's hard to get accuarate details of things (factual) that happened 100 years ago. It will take more than an ancient rumour to convince me there is a god. Solid proof of gods (ANY GOD) exsitance?

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09-26-2011 , 12:19 PM

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God will heal them in the future.

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

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09-26-2011 , 12:24 PM

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God will heal them in the future.

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

Why so cryptic? Tell us exactly what you mean by that please.

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09-26-2011 , 12:27 PM

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Has the old order passed away? I don't think so. Imho I don't think it will pass until Jesus Christ puts death under his feet.

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09-26-2011 , 12:30 PM

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Has the old order passed away? I don't think so. Imho I don't think it will pass until Jesus Christ puts death under his feet.

What has this got to do with God not answering the prayers of amputees who pray for their limbs to be regrown?

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09-26-2011 , 12:31 PM

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What has this got to do with God not answering the prayers of amputees who pray for their limbs to be regrown?

welcome to the forum....

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09-26-2011 , 12:32 PM

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welcome to the forum....

Lol - on so many levels.

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09-26-2011 , 01:05 PM

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I'm saying expect specific miracles to only happen once in human history....if they are repeatable then its a scientific discovery.

This is going to put a crimp in people praying to be healed form the same diseases and injuries. It would also mean most claims of Gods healing miracles are false.

Last edited by batair; 09-26-2011 at 01:32 PM.

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09-26-2011 , 01:30 PM

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What about the word "Miracle" implies that it can only occur a finite number of times?

Also, if you agree its dubious evidence at best, why even present it? It isn't proof of anything

I don't really get this either. Didn't Jesus instantly heal/cure hundreds of people? You wouldn't consider the healing of the lepers and similar cases to be miracles?

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09-26-2011 , 01:53 PM

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No matter how many people pray, no matter how often they pray, no matter how sincere they are, no matter how much they believe, no matter how deserving the amputee, what we know is that prayers do not inspire God to regenerate amputated legs. This happens despite what Jesus promises us

* If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
* If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
* Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
* Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
* Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

<etc.>

This appears to be yet another instance of half-baked criticism by a dilettante. To make your assertion meet the standards of scholarship and reason, you need to show that at least one person to whom these quotes apply did not get the promised results. That is, something like this:

1. "These promises were directed at these parties, and the Biblical evidence on which I base my conclusion is..."

2. "These promises were not fulfilled to said parties, and the Biblical evidence on which I base my conclusion is..."

Are you going to meet all the elements that basic logic requires, or continue splashing around in the kiddy pool?

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09-26-2011 , 01:57 PM

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Lol - on so many levels.

Don't say I didn't try to warn you. FWIW, there are several of us ITF that think Splendour is the most epic level on the internets.

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09-26-2011 , 01:59 PM

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I don't really get this either. Didn't Jesus instantly heal/cure hundreds of people? You wouldn't consider the healing of the lepers and similar cases to be miracles?

Only the first one. The rest was science.

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Don't say I didn't try to warn you. FWIW, there are several of us ITF that think Splendour is the most epic level on the internets.

I was expecting some intellegent discussion in here - was actually wanting my views to be challenged. Instead it feels like interviewing a politician, where a question is asked and you get either a cryptic, meaningless answer, or the answer to a completely different question. Trying to talk to Christians on a level playing field, and giving them every chance to persuade me of the existence of God has only succeeded in strengthening my athiest views.

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09-26-2011 , 02:35 PM

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I suspect you're pulling this out of your stu pidasso (sorry, couldn't resist). Seriously, where are you getting this? What dictionary are you using where the definition states that a miracle cannot occur more than x number of times?

mir·a·cle
[mir-uh-kuhl]
noun
1.
an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2.
such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
3.
a wonder; marvel.
4.
a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics.
5.
miracle play.
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