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Why won't God heal amputees? Why won't God heal amputees?

09-26-2011 , 12:11 AM
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
No matter how many people pray, no matter how often they pray, no matter how sincere they are, no matter how much they believe, no matter how deserving the amputee, what we know is that prayers do not inspire God to regenerate amputated legs. This happens despite what Jesus promises us
  • If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
  • If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
  • Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
  • Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
  • Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]
By looking at amputees, we can see that something is wrong. Jesus is not telling the truth. God never answers prayers to spontaneously restore lost limbs, despite Jesus' statements in the Bible. Accepting this piece of factual information, rather than denying it, is the first step in understanding something extremely important about how prayer really works.

If God is imaginary, then religion is a complete illusion. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are pointless. Belief in God is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a significant portion of the population to be delusional.
This is very convincing.
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09-26-2011 , 12:16 AM
You forgot the abiding in me clause

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
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09-26-2011 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
You forgot the abiding in me clause

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
so.... "no true amputees"?
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09-26-2011 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
You forgot the abiding in me clause

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Thank you.

Surely there are some true believer amputees. Why haven't any of them been healed?
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09-26-2011 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Thank you.

Surely there are some true believer amputees. Why haven't any of them been healed?
Really, there probably arn't. Its just a math problem, narrow is the way and few are those who find it. 8 people made it past the flood, 144k past the fire.

Even of the healthy its pretty hard.

My advice, if your an amputee, man up and fast (you can drink water) for 40+ days (more days for more fat), same as anyone else.
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09-26-2011 , 12:32 AM
But there a many cases of the faithful claiming to have been cured of other things.
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09-26-2011 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
Really, there probably arn't. Its just a math problem, narrow is the way and few are those who find it. 8 people made it past the flood, 144k past the fire.

Even of the healthy its pretty hard.

My advice, if your an amputee, man up and fast (you can drink water) for 40+ days (more days for more fat), same as anyone else.
Wow.

and what is the criteria for a "true believer" perchance?
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09-26-2011 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Wow.

and what is the criteria for a "true believer" perchance?
Perfection (near, you get a little leeway I think, not much)

I am the way (Torah in Hebrew) (you have to be to go home)

Anyone who comes after me, let him deny himself, pick up his cross and follow me - Jesus
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09-26-2011 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
Perfection (near, you get a little leeway I think, not much)

I am the way (Torah in Hebrew) (you have to be to go home)

Anyone who comes after me, let him deny himself, pick up his cross and follow me - Jesus
define "perfection"?
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09-26-2011 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
define "perfection"?
It starts by fasting (for the record I havn't done it (well, some little ones), but very soon).

During this period you learn to overcome the animal body your living in. Destroying the self (ego). Also, to hear the voice of God more clearly.

From there, well I can't tell you since I havn't done it yet, but I imagine you "Jesus up" and not sinning is a lot easier. (Laws, listed in Deut.)

Not only are you not sinning, but your doing the will of God, and basically kicking as.s and taking names... (in a way)

A servant isn't greater than his master, but when he is fully trained he will be just like him - Jesus
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09-26-2011 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
It starts by fasting (for the record I havn't done it (well, some little ones), but very soon).

During this period you learn to overcome the animal body your living in. Destroying the self (ego). Also, to hear the voice of God more clearly.

From there, well I can't tell you since I havn't done it yet, but I imagine you "Jesus" up and not sinning is a lot easier. (Laws, listed in Deut.)

Not only are you not sinning, but your doing the will of God, and basically kicking as.s and taking names...

A servant isn't greater than his master, but when he is fully trained he will be just like him - Jesus
I see, and how did you determine that by doing this, and only this, you are a "true believer"?
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09-26-2011 , 12:53 AM
The reason I am grilling this so hard is that, in my opinion, you have chosen to insult a group of people (not just amputees really, but any believer missing a limb) rather than just admit that their is a bit of inconsistency here
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09-26-2011 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
The reason I am grilling this so hard is that, in my opinion, you have chosen to insult a group of people (not just amputees really, but any believer missing a limb) rather than just admit that their is a bit of inconsistency here
Those who want excuses can make them, I told the truth and the way.

Its time to get desperate, the hour is late.
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09-26-2011 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
Those who want excuses can make them, I told the truth and the way.
fair enough, care to respond to my other post? The one that is the crux of the discussion?
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09-26-2011 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
I see, and how did you determine that by doing this, and only this, you are a "true believer"?
If there were any other way, Jesus would have done it. He did it (fasting 40 days), Moses did it twice (back to back) and without water, Elijah did it, Muhammad (for those who regard him).

It's the great secret that only the hardcore will come to realise.

Last edited by StewTradheir; 09-26-2011 at 01:06 AM. Reason: sorry for ninja edits, small adjustment
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09-26-2011 , 01:09 AM
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If there were any other way, Jesus would have done it. He did it (fasting 40 days), Moses did it twice (back to back) and without water, Elijah did it, Muhammad (for those who regard him).

It's the great secret that only the hardcore will come to realise.
And where does it say the only way to be a true believer is to do what jesus did?

Your entire argument relies on assertion after assertion that has no basis.

Are you not a true christian unless you give away all of your possessions and leave your family?
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09-26-2011 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
And where does it say the only way to be a true believer is to do what jesus did?

Your entire argument relies on assertion after assertion that has no basis.

Are you not a true christian unless you give away all of your possessions and leave your family?
If you can't see the basis, I can't show you the way.

He who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life will find it - Jesus

A mans enemies will be the members of his own house - quoted frequently. I guarantee if you try this, the whole world will come against you.

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09-26-2011 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
And where does it say the only way to be a true believer is to do what jesus did?

Your entire argument relies on assertion after assertion that has no basis.

Are you not a true christian unless you give away all of your possessions and leave your family?
Are you really not going to answer this? If it says this in the bible somewhere, please, enlighten, otherwise this is you conceding the argument.

The point is, your personal definition of "true believer" applies to no one but yourself.
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09-26-2011 , 01:27 AM
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Are you really not going to answer this? If it says this in the bible somewhere, please, enlighten, otherwise this is you conceding the argument.

The point is, your personal definition of "true believer" applies to no one but yourself.
And I'm going to be body slamming all of them into the lake of fire alongside Michael. (Daniel 12:1)
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09-26-2011 , 01:29 AM
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And I'm going to be body slamming all of them into the lake of fire alongside Michael. (Daniel 12:1)
I accept your concession
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09-26-2011 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by StewTradheir
If there were any other way, Jesus would have done it. He did it (fasting 40 days), Moses did it twice (back to back) and without water, Elijah did it, Muhammad (for those who regard him).

It's the great secret that only the hardcore will come to realise.
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09-26-2011 , 10:37 AM
The salamander, an amphibian, is possibly the most adept vertebrate order for their capability of regenerating limbs, tails, jaws, eyes and a variety of internal structures.
Do they do it by fasting and having enormous faith?
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09-26-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
No matter how many people pray, no matter how often they pray, no matter how sincere they are, no matter how much they believe, no matter how deserving the amputee, what we know is that prayers do not inspire God to regenerate amputated legs. This happens despite what Jesus promises us
  • If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
  • If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
  • Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
  • Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
  • Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]
By looking at amputees, we can see that something is wrong. Jesus is not telling the truth. God never answers prayers to spontaneously restore lost limbs, despite Jesus' statements in the Bible. Accepting this piece of factual information, rather than denying it, is the first step in understanding something extremely important about how prayer really works.

If God is imaginary, then religion is a complete illusion. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are pointless. Belief in God is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a significant portion of the population to be delusional.
This is very convincing.
Google Miracle of Calanda...it is a documented case of an amputee having his limb restored thru prayer.
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09-26-2011 , 11:47 AM
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Google Miracle of Calanda...it is a documented case of an amputee having his limb restored thru prayer.
On April 27 of 1641 the archbishop of Zaragoza pronounced a judgment, thereby officially declaring the authenticity of the miracle. At the end of the year Pellicer was also invited to the royal court at Madrid, where King Philip IV knelt down before him and kissed the leg. Recordings also show that the restored leg was the same one as that which had been amputated two and a half years before, for it could be reidentified through some bruises and scars that were there before the amputation. Also, the hole in the cemetery of the hospital of Zaragoza in which the leg had been buried was excavated and found empty.

And there is one thing that jumps out...there is no documentation or witness accounts confirming his leg was ever gone.

Note that no evidence exists that his leg was ever amputated — or that he was even treated at all — at the hospital in Zaragoza other than his own word. He named three doctors there, but for some reason there is no record of their having been interviewed by either the delegation or the trial. The trial did find that no leg was buried where he said it was at the hospital, but this is exactly what we'd expect to find if it had never been amputated. Although this lack of a buried leg is often put forth as evidence that the story is true, it is actually a lack of evidence of anything.
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09-26-2011 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
Google Miracle of Calanda...it is a documented case of an amputee having his limb restored thru prayer.
This is like saying "Google Loch Ness Monster for proof of surviving dinosaurs"
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