It sounds nice, but then you learn that that relationship was to be on the condition of perfect obedience. 'Relationship' implies fellowship. Fellowship isn't something generally associated with a totalitarian dictatorship.

“Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound.”

If there's an absolutely right way to proceed in the world then what's wrong with obedience?

It could be required for success.

humans create all that nonsense..

Humans were meant to be a reflection of God and God has glory.

I remember Stalin saying something similar.

There you go again. Confusing God with Stalin.

When Stalin can create a human being then you can equate him with God.

Not before.

He had three (I think) children...

Yeah, he begot them.

He didn't create them.

He wasn't powerful or intelligent enough to create them.

So it's a false comparison.

It's easy to destroy something...It only take a second to destroy something. But building something takes time....it can take a lifetime to build a masterpiece.

To be fair that is a pretty poor argument on my behalf. Obv Stalin etc would take their inspiration from God's way; it has been pretty successful. But it is nonsensical to draw inferences of God's intention based on their subsequent imitations.

But I still reject the implication that any 'relationship' to be had between God and man is anything other than a celestial dictatorship, and that any suggestion that it is a desirable thing, is just absurd.

I wonder you want to limit yourself to arguments.

Isn't that boxing yourself in?

I'd rather study God's Word trying to pick up on those things in life that are not easily understandable. People will always have opinions, arguments, etc. It doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

Sorry, if that comes across as offensive.

It just really does comes down to who you're going to listen to. God or a crowd of people?

Remember Christians are trying to have a relationship with God and relationships aren't always easy. They require openness, communication and work.

If you're not willing to commit to any of those things that God requires then what makes you think you can understand God questions enough to advise a Christian? I've had dozens of people try to give me unsolicited advice on here. Dozens.

Humans exist because they exist! Looks silly but that's the way it is, life being what it is. And about the God you are talking about, there is no such God, just natural laws (the real God and God it is) that produce stuffs like humans at this part of the universe.

Is this literal or allegory?

Humans exist because they exist doesn't explain anything.

A lot of babies come into this world with the affinity to believe in God.

I'm almost done arguing with atheists now because a lot of them could suffer from male brainedness. Male brainedness occurs from the level of testosterone in utero's affect on certain brains. A lot of people with the genetic predisposition to male brainedness are systematizers. This could lead them to attempt to systematize things under evolution and persuade other people to do likewise using arguments. But it's just their genetic predisposition. Just because male brainedness is something found in a lot of engineering and science types doesn't make them absolutely right. It could fool them into the prideful sin that they know more than everybody else when maybe they don't.

What is a systematizer?

sys·tem·a·tize

1.make or become systematic: to arrange something according to a system, or be arranged according to a system

VERB
Synonyms: organize, arrange, classify, categorize, sort out, combine, structure
Synonyms: schematize, arrange, structure, organize, draft, set out, outline

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