Because many theist go through crisis of faith that I don't find prevelant in atheists yes I say some are. By the same measure no real theist with true faith in his religion is agnostic either. Yet many doubters enter the pew each sunday.

What religion are youva part of?

Here, you first note that you are not sure if God exists. This is fine, and this is in line with current scientific knowledge. However, your add-on sentence is purely a faith-based position as we also DO NOT KNOW whether we will ever be able to find out. You're claming that you do know. And your claim is that you know that we will never be able to find out.

Put simply, you're claiming that God's existence will be unknowable forever. The Agnosticism definition is not LIMITED to this interpretation.

It can also be interpreted as - we do not know currently if God's existence will forever be unknowable, but that we may know some time in the future. The only thing we do know however, is that currently God's existence is unknowable.

I dont fit either. I dont know if God is unknown or unknowable.

But thats the thing. I dont know that current human knowledge doesn't include God. I only know i dont have that knowledge.


I couldn't make the statement God is currently unknown and unknowable even if i was just making it for current humans.


I think you need to read my post more closely.

I was responding to gangsta.

You can indeed make this statement by looking at the most reliable source of information available - scientific journal articles. If there is no scientific journal article demonstrating something like "90% probability that God does not exist" then you can accurately conclude that currently we do not know, and currently the answer is unknowable.

You can make this conclusion, because you have exhausted the most reliable source of information available to us.

I believe he's refering to the posability of prophets living today.

Im not a subscriber to the idea the only human knowledge is contained in scientific journals.

There could be a God and he could communicate with people but just not me. Do i think thats a big possibility. No. But can i rule it out and go as far as to saying God is unknown and unknowable to current humans. No.

Makes no difference to my answer. If the scientific community has not documented, tested or reviewed hypothesized prophets, then it's safe to conclude there is none.

You either follow the most credible source of information or you walk around blindly, listening to anyone and believing anyone you find is in agreement with you.

Not the only knowledge. Just the most credible.

Which you choose to believe, is up to you.

Yea absolutely this. I know you said previously you are a new atheist V. I think you need to slow your roll a bit.

I consider myself an atheist/nihilist, by that I mean I BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD. I am not saying "I don't know" I am saying I BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD. I don't consider myself agnostic one bit, and generally speaking I consider agnostics (and pagans) to be sissies. When someone describes themselves (sincerely) as "agnostic" I write them off as not knowing what they are talking about, or more precisely not even having a clear understanding of the criteria by which they judge the world around them or live their own lives. I believe that any "agnostic" who can take a clear objective look around them will realize THERE IS NO GOD.

Of course, humans are not known for their capacity for truly objective thought, so it does not surprise me that I have few peers (expect insofar as my capacity to enjoy receiving blowjobs from beautiful women is concerned).

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Why are you stating this as if its a brute fact?

I choose to say idk if there is a God and i choose to say i cant say God is unknown and unknowable to current humans if there is one.

Agnosticism is just way to sure (even if its within my current knowledge of the universe) of itself for me to say i am one. Atheism leaves more room for my ignorance.