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Old 03-16-2011, 07:59 PM   #91
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Re: Why do followers of the bible want atheists to convert so bad?

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You block out reason, science, and even sanity with God. I'll stick to my "idols", thanks.

I don't block out anything. I try to put everything in the right perspective order though because the flow of everything in the world is from God. "In him we live and move and have our being."

Right, that's why no one worships reason - literally, not a single person on this planet worships reason. You made that nonsense up.


"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein




The Worship of Reason: http://www.beyondmentalslavery.com/w...of-reason.html


Okay, so in this thread you've proven that you don't know what the words "atheism" and "rationalism" mean.

You give them your own definitions and then attack the people who believe in those words based on the definitions you've given them. It's the most absurd strawman ever.

But carry on.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:03 PM   #92
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Of course not, because you never were taught truth, so anything you did learn made no sense, because it was false. Thats normal for the Catholic religion. It is not based on truth, but mans made up traditions and rules.

True Christianity is based on the written word of God, written by holy men of God who were inspired by God to write it.... They didn't just make things up as you suppose happened.
Catholic is a branch of Christianity, which branches are acceptable? We still studied the Bible and all Jesus' little stories.

God has never written anything before. The holy men who wrote the Bible literally made it up as they supposed it happened.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:43 PM   #93
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Re: Why do followers of the bible want atheists to convert so bad?

a·the·ism   
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the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


I'm not sure I see where or how this can be an idol. How can disbelief in supreme beings be a belief? I don't believe in raping or killing does that make those things an idol? What about priests? I hate to take the cheap shot, but they supposedly believe in the bible, and yet they rape little boys. Wouldn't boys then be a false idol?
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:23 AM   #94
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Re: Why do followers of the bible want atheists to convert so bad?

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Catholic is a branch of Christianity, which branches are acceptable? We still studied the Bible and all Jesus' little stories.

God has never written anything before. The holy men who wrote the Bible literally made it up as they supposed it happened.
Catholic is not a branch of Christianity.

Again I ask you, what makes a Christian a Christian? If you want me to get scientific to help you, what formula, what actions does a person have to take to become a Christian?

Correct, God had not written anything except directly had the tablets of stone written, then they were broken and re-written by hand.

In regards to holy men of God making the bible up, naaaay, didn't happen. And if you really knew the word of God well enough and have studied it in depth, you would see, that its litterally impossible for it to have happened that way.

Maybe take a look at the book "Numbers in Scripture" by E.W. Bullinger, just to get a grasp of how the bible is put together numerically/mathmatically.

There are many other things, such as figures of speech. Which is a science, incase you did not know. There are over 212 classified figures of speech used in the bible, and within those 212, each have many, many sub-catagories.

There is no literary work on earth even close to it in complexity, just in the catagory of figures of speech.

Its been dubbed by many archaeologist as the "archaeologists bible" because of the accuracy of it when it comes to finding ancient things. So accurate, that many archaeologists, have become believers because of it....

If you push me, I will overload you with so many facts about the bible that you ears will explode
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:26 AM   #95
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Re: Why do followers of the bible want atheists to convert so bad?

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a·the·ism   
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the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
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disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


I'm not sure I see where or how this can be an idol. How can disbelief in supreme beings be a belief? I don't believe in raping or killing does that make those things an idol? What about priests? I hate to take the cheap shot, but they supposedly believe in the bible, and yet they rape little boys. Wouldn't boys then be a false idol?
Its not the disbelief in a supreme being that makes an atheist idolotrous, its the fact that many, many of them worship their own mind, their own thoughts, there own beliefs. And laud themselves as the smart ones. Thats how they fall into that catagory....

If it makes you feel any better, that goes for anyone, even Christians.....
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:29 AM   #96
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wear it*

And I admit you have me intrigued. How can I join up with a church so that I may know precisely what anyone else is thinking and their motives at any given time.
You can't. Only God knows the hearts of men, except in certain situations when he shows someone else whats in the heart of another.

But in general, God talks and tells lots about the hearts of unbelievers, and when someone has that knowlegde of and from God, then they know in general the hearts of unbelievers... simple as that....
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:39 AM   #97
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Catholic is not a branch of Christianity.

Again I ask you, what makes a Christian a Christian? If you want me to get scientific to help you, what formula, what actions does a person have to take to become a Christian?

Correct, God had not written anything except directly had the tablets of stone written, then they were broken and re-written by hand.

In regards to holy men of God making the bible up, naaaay, didn't happen. And if you really knew the word of God well enough and have studied it in depth, you would see, that its litterally impossible for it to have happened that way.

Maybe take a look at the book "Numbers in Scripture" by E.W. Bullinger, just to get a grasp of how the bible is put together numerically/mathmatically.

There are many other things, such as figures of speech. Which is a science, incase you did not know. There are over 212 classified figures of speech used in the bible, and within those 212, each have many, many sub-catagories.

There is no literary work on earth even close to it in complexity, just in the catagory of figures of speech.

Its been dubbed by many archaeologist as the "archaeologists bible" because of the accuracy of it when it comes to finding ancient things. So accurate, that many archaeologists, have become believers because of it....

If you push me, I will overload you with so many facts about the bible that you ears will explode
-This is supposed to be proof that the Bible belongs to Catholics:
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/ti...ible_where.htm

-Wow, those are some fancy science terms.

-It's literally impossible that some men didn't put together a book without God's help?

-How does complexity prove it is God's word? Besides, God's word should be simple if it's so f*cking natural and pure.

-Oh I'll push you, but the only result will be you getting embarrassed
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:48 AM   #98
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-This is supposed to be proof that the Bible belongs to Catholics:
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/ti...ible_where.htm

-Wow, those are some fancy science terms.

-It's literally impossible that some men didn't put together a book without God's help?

-How does complexity prove it is God's word? Besides, God's word should be simple if it's so f*cking natural and pure.

-Oh I'll push you, but the only result will be you getting embarrassed
LOL you have no clue buddy. Your are in way over your head. There is no way you can out logic Gods word.
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LOL you have no clue buddy. Your are in way over your head. There is no way you can out logic Gods word.
I'm not sure if I could "out logic" anything...
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:46 AM   #100
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a·the·ism   
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disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


I'm not sure I see where or how this can be an idol. How can disbelief in supreme beings be a belief? I don't believe in raping or killing does that make those things an idol? What about priests? I hate to take the cheap shot, but they supposedly believe in the bible, and yet they rape little boys. Wouldn't boys then be a false idol?
If there's no belief how can there be a doctrine?

The spiritual mind was undeveloped so the carnal mind came in and built something to justify itself and fill the gap instead of acquire the thing it lacked.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:04 PM   #101
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Re: Why do followers of the bible want atheists to convert so bad?

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Its not the disbelief in a supreme being that makes an atheist idolotrous, its the fact that many, many of them worship their own mind, their own thoughts, there own beliefs. And laud themselves as the smart ones. Thats how they fall into that catagory....

If it makes you feel any better, that goes for anyone, even Christians.....
We see this problem a lot here. Where people, tends to be the theists imo, who use different definitions of the same word. It confuses people because most normal people assume they're using the word in one context.

When anything thinks of religion, in the sense used in say... a religious forum, it would be one of the following:
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Definition of WORSHIP
2: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
This, of course makes no sense when discussing atheists.

The only definition of the word that makes sense the way Pletho and Splenda use the word is:
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Definition of WORSHIP
4: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar>
THE PROBLEM is that in the theists arguments, they're trying to make an equivalent between the religious use of the term (def 2 or 3) and the fourth usage.

They are not equivalent uses, of course. The 'worship' of God is not replaced by a worship of 'reason' or 'science.' Nor, for that matter, is it contradictory to see a person can 'worship' God (in the sense of def 2 or 3) AND worship 'reason' (in the sense of definition 4). And many theists will gladly pont out that throughout history many of the great rational thinkers also worshipped gods.

This is no different the other common theists semantic f**k up when they try to say that atheism is a religion (just like Christianity) when, again.... it only makes sense if you use the differing definitions of the word religion.

A lot of time is spent arguing with certain theists because of their misuse (or misunderstanding) of the varying definitions of the same word. (and, of course, with Splenda, her misuse of half of the words she uses. )
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:28 PM   #102
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We see this problem a lot here. Where people, tends to be the theists imo, who use different definitions of the same word. It confuses people because most normal people assume they're using the word in one context.

When anything thinks of religion, in the sense used in say... a religious forum, it would be one of the following:


This, of course makes no sense when discussing atheists.

The only definition of the word that makes sense the way Pletho and Splenda use the word is:


THE PROBLEM is that in the theists arguments, they're trying to make an equivalent between the religious use of the term (def 2 or 3) and the fourth usage.

They are not equivalent uses, of course. The 'worship' of God is not replaced by a worship of 'reason' or 'science.' Nor, for that matter, is it contradictory to see a person can 'worship' God (in the sense of def 2 or 3) AND worship 'reason' (in the sense of definition 4). And many theists will gladly pont out that throughout history many of the great rational thinkers also worshipped gods.

This is no different the other common theists semantic f**k up when they try to say that atheism is a religion (just like Christianity) when, again.... it only makes sense if you use the differing definitions of the word religion.

A lot of time is spent arguing with certain theists because of their misuse (or misunderstanding) of the varying definitions of the same word. (and, of course, with Splenda, her misuse of half of the words she uses. )

Its really simple, in a nutshell, idolotry in its root form, is when anyone puts something before God, be it a physical thing or a group of thoughts or attitudes that oppose or contradict and are exalted about what Gods word says is truth.
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LOL you have no clue buddy. Your are in way over your head. There is no way you can out logic Gods word.
You actually didn't answer my questions here.

In another thread you accused me of dodging a question that I, myself, brought up.
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:20 PM   #104
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Ok Pletho. Since we are "way over our heads" here, how about you answer 2 questions of mine.

1) if the bible is so accurate at explaining facts from the past, why haven't archaeologists found the remains of Noah's Arc?

2) do you believe in Noahs' Arc? that Moses rounded up the billion species on a huge boat for 40 days and 40 nights? and what did the hundreds of predatory animals eat, you know, since they eat other animals!?
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:22 PM   #105
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PLETHO: FOR YOU

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0864215926514#


How Archaeology Killed Biblical History

you won't watch it, but if you did, you'd know your claims of archaeologists becoming believers based on the bible is inaccurate if not entirely fabricated.
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