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08-27-2015 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
And I thought the chance of you retaining your friendly tone and not being sarcastic or unpleasant was a long shot. Love the way you casually throw round words like 'phenomenology' though.

I think your argument was poor and that you're approaching this from entirely the wrong direction. It's irrelevant to the topic of whether or not Christians (or you) should take the bible literally that you were taught not to take it literally, or what the majority of Christians actually do. The closest you came to an actual argument was 'the bible contains historical inaccuracies and contradictions' but unless your conclusion is something like 'and so the entire bible should be considered unreliable, including instructions to take it literally' which you didn't say, then so what?

I gave you specific biblical passages (and have more if I need them) and you failed to explain why they don't support a literal interpretation, you just refer to the fact that people have interpreted them differently, again, so what, all those people could be wrong. So why would you have changed my mind?
You haven't pointed out why you think my argument is poor you have merely stated it here while deciding to tell me I am wrong and simultaneously end the conversation, hence my tone.

You are asking me why passages don't support a literal interpretation and I am telling you that firstly I am not a Christian and secondly because I believe the bible is flawed. Once a contradiction is apparent it is not consistent to take a literal position. The reason I don't think Christians are committed to taking a literal interpretation I have expanded on. This is down to the phenomenology of religious experience and instruction, how people actually experience religion which is very different from the claims you make about it. You also as Aaron pointed out tell people what they should believe rather than actually listening to how they do.

And for the record your instances of religious instruction to take the bible literally predated my discussion with you in this thread. They weren't my questions to answer but the answer remains the same, the bible is fallible so the instructions to take it literally as fallible as the Ark or Adam and Eve.

Last edited by dereds; 08-27-2015 at 10:52 AM.
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08-28-2015 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
And I thought the chance of you retaining your friendly tone and not being sarcastic or unpleasant was a long shot. Love the way you casually throw round words like 'phenomenology' though.

I think your argument was poor and that you're approaching this from entirely the wrong direction. It's irrelevant to the topic of whether or not Christians (or you) should take the bible literally that you were taught not to take it literally, or what the majority of Christians actually do. The closest you came to an actual argument was 'the bible contains historical inaccuracies and contradictions' but unless your conclusion is something like 'and so the entire bible should be considered unreliable, including instructions to take it literally' which you didn't say, then so what?

I gave you specific biblical passages (and have more if I need them) and you failed to explain why they don't support a literal interpretation, you just refer to the fact that people have interpreted them differently, again, so what, all those people could be wrong. So why would you have changed my mind?

There is very little historic precedence for a literal reading of the Bible in its entirety. Traditionally in Judaism some passages were understood to be literal (like say... specific rules), but it is actually a fairly clever and systematic thinking behind which passages. It was also a system based on learned men doing relatively open discussion.

I'm not saying this system was perfect. In Christianity this developed into extremely authoritative institutions claiming monopoly on such interpretation (the Roman Catholic church being the most well known to us), which gave them immense political and geopolitical power. But still, for all its historical grievances, it certainly never relied on literal reading of the Bible.

And then of course then came the reformation, and now every protestant bastard could develop his own allegorical understanding of bible passages.

The "new breed" of Christian fundamentalism, based on authoritative literal interpretation is a new thing... arising in the 1700s-1800s.

So your argument makes very little sense. Why on earth should people read a holy book literally, when the holy book historically developed in religions that were never based on literal understanding of it?
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09-01-2015 , 02:34 PM
People are able to believe almost any kind of ******ed crap.


However after saying that if Gene Roddenberry had started a Church of Trek, I would join.
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09-03-2015 , 06:54 PM
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The "new breed" of Christian fundamentalism, based on authoritative literal interpretation is a new thing... arising in the 1700s-1800s.
This is it.

Also...

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Exegesis includes a wide range of critical disciplines: textual criticism is the investigation into the history and origins of the text, but exegesis may include the study of the historical and cultural backgrounds for the author, the text, and the original audience. Other analysis includes classification of the type of literary genres present in the text, and an analysis of grammatical and syntactical features in the text itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exegesis

How biblical texts should be interpreted and understood is its own field of study.
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09-18-2015 , 03:31 AM
OT's play higher than sea orgs right?
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09-24-2015 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by prickly00
OT's play higher than sea orgs right?
Latter floats with plenty of sodium so yeah.
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