Who are more moral? Men or women?

I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women.

I will take the Jewish view of Eden as man’s elevation as opposed to the Christian view that Eden was man’s fall. I do this because the Jewish view was the initial view of their scriptures. I give their view more authority than I do to Christianity. That Jewish view was later reversed by Christianity. Why Christianity did this is not clear.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

For this mental exercise, I say women are more moral than men. I take this view because teaching a topic is the best way to learn it, and that most of the child rearing/teaching in that day was done by women. Women then, teaching children their first morals, would also teach themselves morals faster than what men would.

I do not read scriptures literally but will use the literal view and my logic trail and progression through Eden as if I do.

Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God. She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense.

Is the Jewish view the correct one?

Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?

Who are more moral? Men or women?

Regards
DL

To ask the question, as proposed, speaks to the "generic" in the individual human. So long as we speak only to the "generic" then the individual man or woman ceases to exist( at least within the ethos of the question).

The question also denies individuality,as may be gleaned from the above, and assumes in some strange way that we are exactly the same as anyone else and only our heredity bespeaks the difference. this of course can be taken to nationalism where one can say "I am an Irishman, Italian, German, etc.,etc.," to the exclusion of others.

We brought, with us, from previous lives certain characteristics to which are put to the test of current conditions.In the next life it is entirely possible that one may be a female/male. In esoteric lore "the karma of male is female and the karma of female is male". Reincarnation has not existed forever and will not exist forever but it changes and morphs adroitly into the overcoming of death, that work of the individual man through the Christ Impulse acting within the hearts of all men(no pun intended here).

We incarnated in race,gender,religion,nation, clan,etc... and in this are able to bring forth the best characteristics of that particular milieu but there is also a contradiction that this very consideration can act as hindrance to our restoration. You can't deny your family for who else nurtured you and comforted you as a child even into adulthood and beyond. In this the "individual" does his work not only of the external world but "within" which are his thoughts, feelings and will impulses, the realm of the soul (thinking,feeling, and willing).

Also, to speak of the "Fall" as if you and I as material beings with four extremities,a brain, teeth, etc.... as we see now doesn't speak to the evolutionary progress of human kind and the cosmos itself but that's another story.

If you were truly a moral person, you would not link the moral status of the living to the supposed actions of the long dead.

I know you like to talk about the garden of Eden story in every single thread you make in this forum, but taking it - when you don't even believe it is true - to talk about whether men or women are somehow intrinsically more moral or not than others is deeply disgusting in my view.

Speculating about whether you personally are morally superior to women in general is beyond sexist.

How is it sexist? To the extent that we can classify anything into groups, an inquiry into the average properties of those groups is a valid inquiry.

I can certainly claim that I am more moral than the average German who lived in the period 1939-1945. Is that racist? Nationalist? Or a valid observation? If it is not a valid observation, do you deny it is true?

You added a critical word: average. When someone takes a group and lumps it all together, such as "women", and makes claims about being superior to that category (not just various members or even average members of it) than that is fundamentally bigoted.

Such a divisive question OP and it calls for a divisive judgment that puts people in opposition to one another.

Why can't everyone be God's Family? They probably could if they weren't such skeptics and dividing their minds with divisive ideas all the time.


The God Who Becomes
By John Gavazzoni
http://www.christianuniversalist.org...hobecomes.html

Suppose the entire population of men and women have the exact level of morality as the other gender. Then, what happens when somebody such as Hitler dies? It would raise the average morality of men when they lose somebody so immoral. The result makes men more moral, does it not?

In reality, men and women are not alike in any characteristic. The odds of being equal are infinitely small. We just have no idea which group is more or less of any characteristic.

If we are all in Gods family, why is it that only men, in some religions, who can speak for the family.

Why are Abrahamic religions and others telling women that their head is a man and to sit down and shut up?

Regards
DL

Simply because that story says that men are intrinsically more moral and women are to kowtow to men.

Everyone forgets about Lilith in Genesis 1.

Regards
DL

Those long dead are still driving the so called religious to discriminate against women.

It was quoted quite often against the Suffragettes.

Regards
DL

of course the eden story is sexist. the question is, why are you - who doesn't believe it literally happened - putting this enormous unending myopic focus in post after post after post on this one story and at the same time speculating that you yourself are ALSO superior to "women".

I'm sorry, this thread is crap. I only see few possibilities

1) GIA is sexist
2) GIA is attempting to troll Splendour.
3) 1 & 2

They all aren't.

Why focus on the negatives to back up your point all the time?

Because divisive people are good at rising to the top doesn't make all people in a group that way.

The Feminist movement started with the Quakers.

Mothers of Feminism: The Story of Quaker Women in America

http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/jul19...ookreview5.htm

Quote:
Many of the first women's rights activists were practicing Quakers or had Quaker upbringings, such as Lucretia Mott, Susan B. Anthony, the Grimke sisters, and, the pioneer of the Equal Rights Amendment, Alice Paul.