What's the most significant change from this forum?

[VP$IP]

Then sing a happy song every now and then.

You do sing, don't you?

[Concerto]

Originally Posted by thirddan

also, have become a vegetarian (not interested in started another thread about this issue)

Seems an unlikely effect of reading RGT. Hopefully you did your due diligence beforehand.

[rizeagainst]

Originally Posted by Deorum

The realization of how common it is that people will fight tooth and nail to cling to a position that is clearly wrong rather than admit it is, which is rather depressing.

+1

[kurto]

Originally Posted by Concerto

This forum presents an entertaining opportunity to observe the slick moves and quick breaks of deceitful midgets in their attempts at rhetorical point-scoring when, as usual, the burden of logical argument proves too much for them.

I think you're being a little hard on the theists. Yes, we agree that they have the burden of logically proving the truthfulness of their religion since they are the ones making positive claims... and we agree that they have failed that burden so often rely on pointless meaningless rhetorical points. But to call them deceitful midgets is unwarranted.

[VP$IP]

+1

[Concerto]

Originally Posted by Concerto

This forum presents an entertaining opportunity to observe the slick moves and quick breaks of deceitful midgets in their attempts at rhetorical point-scoring when, as usual, the burden of logical argument proves too much for them.

Originally Posted by kurto

I think you're being a little hard on the theists. Yes, we agree that they have the burden of logically proving the truthfulness of their religion since they are the ones making positive claims... and we agree that they have failed that burden so often rely on pointless meaningless rhetorical points. But to call them deceitful midgets is unwarranted.

Mastermind at work. lol

Your (rhetorical) point, of course.

[skalf]

Originally Posted by Concerto

This forum presents an entertaining opportunity to observe the slick moves and quick breaks of deceitful midgets in their attempts at rhetorical point-scoring when, as usual, the burden of logical argument proves too much for them.

Originally Posted by Concerto

It's all good, actually. You might be projecting a bit.

This is golden.

[Concerto]

Originally Posted by skalf

This is golden.

Wait, are you trying to communicate something logical, or is this just the cute little windup before another cunning stunt of rhetorical point-scoring?

[skalf]

Originally Posted by Concerto

Wait, are you trying to communicate something logical, or is this just the cute little windup before another cunning stunt of rhetorical point-scoring?

My point is that you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to your listed complaints.
Claiming someone else is projecting just makes it that much better.
I strongly suspect you knew this was what I meant.

[thirddan]

Originally Posted by Concerto

Seems an unlikely effect of reading RGT. Hopefully you did your due diligence beforehand.

meh, mostly from smp type discussions, although some of the posters here have led to me sources outside this forum that led to the eventual decision...

[Concerto]

Originally Posted by skalf

My point is that you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to your listed complaints.
Claiming someone else is projecting just makes it that much better.
I strongly suspect you knew this was what I meant.

I strongly suspect you're only fooling yourself.

I'm happy however to continue on this topic, i.e. rhetorical point-scoring (e.g. misdirecting fallacies, disruptive ad hominems, etc, etc) in lieu of logical argument, for the same reason I brought it up in the first place: to call attention to the problem. The more sensitized people are to the issue, the less offending midgets will be able to get away with their behavior, so normal people can have a better experience of RGT.

Originally Posted by thirddan

meh, mostly from smp type discussions, although some of the posters here have led to me sources outside this forum that led to the eventual decision...

Okay it is off topic here anyway. I looked at vegetarianism and decided against it for various reasons which you no doubt already considered.

[bunny]

I'm really surprised so many have come to learn how bad people are at arguing or that they will stubbornly stick to incorrect views.

My experience was the opposite - I generally assume everyone is dumber than me, so SMP/RGT was an eye-opener in that there were plenty of other people as good or better at me at following and constructing arguments.

[bunny]

Originally Posted by Dying Actors

id have to say my thoughts on free will. i used to believe in it, and now im not so sure, leaning towards there not being any.

I hadn't thought of this, but free will is definitely one of the fundamental changes for me too. My belief in dualism also (though it's more persistent).

[xxmagicianxx]

Originally Posted by Concerto

No u.

FYP

[thirddan]

Originally Posted by bunny

I'm really surprised so many have come to learn how bad people are at arguing or that they will stubbornly stick to incorrect views.

My experience was the opposite - I generally assume everyone is dumber than me, so SMP/RGT was an eye-opener in that there were plenty of other people as good or better at me at following and constructing arguments.

seems like at some point this thread turned from "what ive learned/changed" to atheists saying how obvious it is that theists are wrong/closed-minded and vice versa...

this thread is done every once in a while and i recall opinions on free will are frequently cited, mostly due to madnaks posting...