what on earth is an objective concept?

It's the only thing keeping Jerok from killing people, apparently.

Human

glad you agree humans are animals

No none of those would do it. Say some guy had a pill i could take which would guarantee immorality but i could only get it if i agreed to join him in a war to rid the world of evil. And in that war i would be required to kill evil men, pregnant old woman and children no questions asked because he says he is all good so noting he does can be wrong and apparently babies can sometimes be evil. Me myself i dont think i could do it so i would have to choose death to protect my moral dignity.

I am going to give some examples, I begin with a situation that occurs daily:

How many times (especially in US Cinema) do the Actors use the words: ****, Whore, Bitch, God Damn,.....? How many times do they stick their tonges in each others stomach? How many times do we watch very brutal scenes? etc....

I think in this case, when we were to chose to be alive or to die than we should watch those movies, but what if we were not forced to watch them?
Wouldn't it be better that we would wish ourselves to die rather than watching those movies ?

Uhh...I know that having to watch SATC2 was bad, but surely there are more undignified things.

My answer is that there is a limit beyond which I would rather die. For instance, if I get Alzheimer's and lose my memory or a certain level of self-sufficiency, then I would rather die (I have in fact made informal arrangements with a friend for this eventuality). Similarly, certain terminal illnesses would motivate me to rather die rather than continue to live in pain and helplessness. There are other, similar considerations that would probably apply.

I think the assumption made by some that for the person (like myself) who doesn't belief in the afterlife life is always better than non-life is just false.

Yeah, I think being completely paralyzed (including not being able to speak) permanently would be so much of an indignity that I'd rather die. Also severe brain damage.

You don't lose on (human)dignity when your brain or health is heavily damaged, at least discussing health damages was not my intention to start this thread.
And I also didn't mean to assume that non believers would always prefer being alive.

For that the discussion doesn't lose its intention, I repeat my example:
How many times (especially in US Cinema) do the Actors use the words: ****, Whore, Bitch, God Damn,.....? How many times do they stick their tonges in each others stomach? How many times do we watch very brutal scenes? etc....

I think in this case, when we were to chose to be alive or to die than we should watch those movies, but what if we were not forced to watch them?
Wouldn't it be better that we would wish ourselves to die rather than watching those movies ?
(This a "light" example, extreme cases will follow)

Ah, so when you say "dignified" you actually mean to say "does not meet my refined standards of morally correct entertainment".

Yes...there is nothing as dignified as watching censored art.

Maybe they should cover up the penis on statue on the statue of David in Florence, and mask a big "beeeeep" over the end commentary in "Gone with the Wind". Heck, I guess that silly depraved scene in Casablanca shouldn't even have taken place in a bar.

But by all means...the religious have always been big on censorship of art/entertainment. Very undignified if you ask me.

Who did support censorship in this thread? I am talking about individual decisions and thinking process.

Personally I find it a lot more dignified to watch Blood Simple than The Princess and the Frog, even though Blood Simple has more violence, cursing, and adult themes.

Art has to be watered down to be acceptable to all levels of sensitivity.
/derail

Aren't you saying we should censor what we see and not watch people kiss because kissing is undignified?

Whoa, Jim.

I would think that dignity is something that one grows into based on what one learns .
You have to be alive to learn so I would think that life must be at hand if one wishes to reach a state of dignity. You will notice that with my response I do not have to define dignity. Whew.

Your question is phrased on preserving dignity. I assume one has reached it and is challenged by something that would cause it to be lost.

I submit that once achieved dignity cannot be lost.
If you let your imagination run wild, you could come up with some gruwsome scenarios where a person could be forced to degrade himself and others but internally, he would retain dignity.

Regards
DL

Censor is when you don't allow others to watch, but if you don't allow it to yourself, this might be a sign that you understand what human dignity is worth.
Put it in other words: It might be a sign that someone conceives respect for hisself.

If someone else determines our morals, does that not mean that we will never develop that skill ourselves?

Democracy is supposed to teach us to lead ourselves and not just follow.

If you hide evil then you will not know what is good to reject.

Regards
DL

Submission, A Movie By Theo Van Gogh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4HJ40Wz5xg

Muslims would suppress and ban this and murdered because of this view yet if you view it and think of all the good moral lessons within it, you might see that hiding or censoring anything is evil.

Regards
DL

Ok it not censorship. Maybe you should give your other examples of human indignity because these don't make me want to die.

What about Socrates? He said, one should rather chose to be tortured than to torture.

Regarding this, the democracy nowadays fails heavily.

I would agree with that.

What the hell is dignity supposed to be anyway? Something to do with a sense of self-worth? As in you do something you consider "lowly" and you become "low" yourself?

Perhaps he was insane. He also chose death over banishment. now that is stupid.

Regards
DL

Really? I mean, are you being tongue in cheek here? Cuz there have been few more successful symbolic deaths. I would say that without the death of Socrates philosophy would look very different.