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04-30-2013 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
Are you saying it isnt enjoyable without jesus and that glorious hope?
indeed
ive heard a few times Christians say "I cant IMAGINE living without Christ now"
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04-30-2013 , 01:19 PM
1 Peter 1:8
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
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04-30-2013 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
indeed
ive heard a few times Christians say "I cant IMAGINE living without Christ now"
Yes, thats what christians might say.

Are you saying its impossible for anyone to enjoy life, without jesus and that glorious hope?
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04-30-2013 , 01:26 PM
John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
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04-30-2013 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
ok, but could you answer my question yourself, without a quote from the bible, thanks

edit: also, this quote implies that christians are going to lose their life, since they are able to enjoy life, having christ in their lives
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04-30-2013 , 01:30 PM
ya its pleasure but worldy happiness is empty
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04-30-2013 , 01:35 PM
heres a commentary on John 12:25 better than I could ever say it doesnt mean that the joy of Christ is what hes talking about

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He that loveth his life shall lose it,.... The sense is, that whoever is so in love with this present temporal life, as to be anxiously careful of it, and takes all precautions to secure it; and rather than to expose it to any danger, chooses to deny the faith of Christ, and desert his cause and interest; as such an one shall not long enjoy this life, so he shall come short of an eternal one:

and he that hateth his life in this world: on the other hand, whoever seems careless about it, and not to consult the safety of it, but is unconcerned about it; yea, as if he was throwing it away, as of no great moment and significancy, rather than do anything to preserve it, which would be scandalous to himself, and be dishonourable to his Lord and master; he

shall keep it unto life eternal: he shall be preserved in his temporal life, in a remarkable manner, until he has done the will and work of God, notwithstanding all attempts upon it; and he shall appear to have that spiritual life, which is the beginning and pledge of, and which springs up unto, and issues in eternal life; and that he shall enjoy in the world to come. This Christ said to let his disciples and followers know, that they must suffer and die, as well as he, though not on the same account, and for the self-same reasons; and that their sufferings and death in his cause, and for his Gospel, would turn to their advantage.
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04-30-2013 , 01:44 PM
so basically its not talking about people enjoying their life at all? so why bring it up? And why say that christians are the only ones who can enjoy life, and then say" well actually, were not talking about that kind of enjoyment at all, were talking about the enjoyment of having christ in your life"

Obviously christians are the only ones who can have the enjoyment of having christ in their life.

So, back to my question. Is it possible for anyone to enjoy life, if they dont have christ in their life? ( I note that you still havent answered this question, after 2 or 3 times of asking)
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04-30-2013 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
so basically its not talking about people enjoying their life at all? so why bring it up? And why say that christians are the only ones who can enjoy life, and then say" well actually, were not talking about that kind of enjoyment at all, were talking about the enjoyment of having christ in your life"

Obviously christians are the only ones who can have the enjoyment of having christ in their life.

So, back to my question. Is it possible for anyone to enjoy life, if they dont have christ in their life? ( I note that you still havent answered this question, after 2 or 3 times of asking)
i did answer it bro
i said its a kind of "worldy happiness" that is not fulfilling and is temporary and BLEH you know

my point is that theres no logic in saying "enjoy your life and dont worry about god" because you ask most Christians they are happier and freed from so many things
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04-30-2013 , 01:51 PM
so you can enjoy your life without jesus, is that what you are saying?

Just that its not "real" enjoyment?
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04-30-2013 , 02:09 PM
hmmmm
the coming world is soo much better that people talking about enjoying themselves in this life its like :l

solomon had everything he ever wanted and hated his life

pretty epic chapter you should read
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Ecclesiastes 2
1 I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity.

2 I said of laughter, It is mad: and of mirth, What doeth it?

3 I sought in mine heart to give myself unto wine, yet acquainting mine heart with wisdom; and to lay hold on folly, till I might see what was that good for the sons of men, which they should do under the heaven all the days of their life.

4 I made me great works; I builded me houses; I planted me vineyards:

5 I made me gardens and orchards, and I planted trees in them of all kind of fruits:

6 I made me pools of water, to water therewith the wood that bringeth forth trees:

7 I got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house; also I had great possessions of great and small cattle above all that were in Jerusalem before me:

8 I gathered me also silver and gold, and the peculiar treasure of kings and of the provinces: I gat me men singers and women singers, and the delights of the sons of men, as musical instruments, and that of all sorts.

9 So I was great, and increased more than all that were before me in Jerusalem: also my wisdom remained with me.

10 And whatsoever mine eyes desired I kept not from them, I withheld not my heart from any joy; for my heart rejoiced in all my labour: and this was my portion of all my labour.

11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.

12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done.

13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.

14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.

15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.

16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.

17 Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

18 Yea, I hated all my labour which I had taken under the sun: because I should leave it unto the man that shall be after me.

19 And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool? yet shall he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have shewed myself wise under the sun. This is also vanity.

20 Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun.

21 For there is a man whose labour is in wisdom, and in knowledge, and in equity; yet to a man that hath not laboured therein shall he leave it for his portion. This also is vanity and a great evil.

22 For what hath man of all his labour, and of the vexation of his heart, wherein he hath laboured under the sun?

23 For all his days are sorrows, and his travail grief; yea, his heart taketh not rest in the night. This is also vanity.

24 There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.

25 For who can eat, or who else can hasten hereunto, more than I?

26 For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy: but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.
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04-30-2013 , 02:14 PM
please just answer the question, without a bible quote....

I dont really care about solomon. You seemed to be saying that no one can enjoy themselves. And then you said, "well, they can, but its not real enjoyment( just worldly happiness)", is that what you are saying?
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04-30-2013 , 02:16 PM
retire for 10 years with your pina coladas

thats such a great hope to look forward to

(not really)
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04-30-2013 , 02:19 PM
well if solomon couldnt enjoy himself with all that then i would assume very few people are truly happy on their own

but i dont know everyone on the planet

i cant think of a particular bible quote that says everyone on earth will be miserable
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04-30-2013 , 02:25 PM
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i cant think of a particular bible quote that says everyone on earth will be miserable but it says he sends his rain on the just and the unjust

How about you give me your opinion without referring to the bible?
Do you think that its possible for someone to enjoy themselves without jesus? ( and I realise that the definition of enjoy is important here)
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04-30-2013 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
retire for 10 years with your pina coladas

thats such a great hope to look forward to

(not really)
So its just that christianity gives you hope, something to look forward to , a meaning to your life?

Doesnt it matter whether its true or not?
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04-30-2013 , 02:40 PM
not from my experience

i was totally given over to depression and anxiety and felt only peace and happiness when i found the lord

imagining back then is just total death I had not 1 jolt of happiness feelings for years i couldnt get enjoyment from video games anymore etc

i dont know if im just a bad case because not everyone has depression but
theres some people who might seem all happy when youre around them but how do i know theyre really content inside
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04-30-2013 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
So its just that christianity gives you hope, something to look forward to , a meaning to your life?

Doesnt it matter whether its true or not?
I know for a fact its true

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

and yes it gives you hope and meaning when you find the truth and you will want to be pure like him

1 John 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

were not people who just were looking for something to look forward to, Jesus says
he who doeth truth cometh to the light

John 3:21
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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04-30-2013 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
not from my experience

i was totally given over to depression and anxiety and felt only peace and happiness when i found the lord

imagining back then is just total death I had not 1 jolt of happiness feelings for years i couldnt get enjoyment from video games anymore etc

i dont know if im just a bad case because not everyone has depression but
theres some people who might seem all happy when youre around them but how do i know theyre really content inside
Ok, so you are in fact saying that no one can enjoy life without christ. At least we have cleared that up

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I know for a fact its true
How do you know its true? ( no bible quotes please, quoting the bible to show that the bible is true doesnt really qualify)
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04-30-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
How do you know its true? ( no bible quotes please, quoting the bible to show that the bible is true doesnt really qualify)
many reasons i post proof on here all the time

the fact that evolution has no evidence makes it easy to see theres not many other possibilities besides there being a creator

and the consistency of the bible even thousands of years apart like when Abraham went to sacrifice his only son and then god sent the ram in his place it paralleled Christ perfectly written 1000+ years earlier

Genesis 22:16-18
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

parallels like this all throughout the bible

there would have to be a conspiracy with people who werent even alive

Quaran/mormon/etc holy books are written by 1 person who "were visited by an angel"

Last edited by nooberftw; 04-30-2013 at 03:28 PM.
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04-30-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel


How do you know its true? ( no bible quotes please, quoting the bible to show that the bible is true doesnt really qualify)
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and the consistency of the bible even thousands of years apart like when Abraham went to sacrifice his only son and then god sent the ram in his place it paralleled Christ perfectly written 1000+ years earlier

Genesis 22:16-18
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

parallels like this all throughout the bible

there would have to be a conspiracy with people who werent even alive

Quaran and mormon etc are written by 1 person who "were visited by an angel"

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04-30-2013 , 03:31 PM
hey the best proof is right in the bible
go get a reference bible and tell me some guys sat in a room and made all this up

hmm what else
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04-30-2013 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
hey the best proof is right in the bible
go get a reference bible and tell me some guys sat in a room and made all this up

hmm what else
If the best proof of the bible, is the bible, then I dont know what to tell you...
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04-30-2013 , 04:45 PM
some recent stuff
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04-30-2013 , 05:19 PM
this is proof of what?
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