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What if God doesn't love you? What if God doesn't love you?

03-18-2014 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Huh? God exists. I've spoken to him and feel his presence.
If God spoke to ordinary people he could convert the whole world
the true religion whatever that is. If it is old time Christianity for ex. this would
save billions from eternal torture. Yet no such conversion happened thus
God does not speak to or manifest to just anybody. Furthermore
he apparently needs prophets and holy men to communicate to ordinary mortals, at least that is the basis of many religions.
Therefore if you have spoken to God you must be really special and you can
stop worrying that he has forgotten about you.
Another line of reasoning might be that God created you, being omniscient
he had something in mind when he did, so stop worrying.
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03-20-2014 , 12:56 AM
Even Jesus at his most painful moment on the cross asked Father Father why have you forsaken me? These words came from Jesus. Sometimes when we endure suffering its hard to feel loved. But he will never leave you nor forsake you. Trust in his word and not your feelings. Feelings are misleading , Stand on Gods word and his promises. God hates sin but not the sinner. He so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that none should perish but have everlasting life
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03-20-2014 , 06:43 AM
No. He said: 'Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.'

Or was it: 'It is finished.'
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03-20-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoot them later
No. He said: 'Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.'

Or was it: 'It is finished.'
In Matthew and Mark he says Eli Eli lama sabachthani? Which is translated My God My God why have you forsaken me? Than he cried out and yielded up his spirit a few versus later.

I believe he says it is finished in Luke and John
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03-20-2014 , 02:16 PM
dont believe in god but believe in karma !
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03-23-2014 , 07:56 AM
Karma means action. To do. It's not the law of cause and affect. When you do something, that is your doing, that is action, your action. Karma is "this arises that becomes".

Alan Watts on Karma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60TdZApIppU
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03-23-2014 , 08:03 AM
Its just so hard to believe in god now a days, I just kinda gave up and go with the flow.
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03-23-2014 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude
That's what I'm trying to explain, that the "feeling" does not come alone, along with it is the knowledge of who is present. It surpasses preconceptions.

Look at it this way - imagine that what I'm saying is true, that there is a God, and he shows his presence to people. Is it that surprising that God would also reveal that it is in fact God who is revealing himself, and not just simply make you feel "warm and fuzzy"? I'm sure you've heard people describe, "an encounter with Jesus", this is what they meant. When God speaks to you, you know that it is God. I think you can't see it any other way because you don't believe in God, but IF God did exist, it wouldn't make sense for him to speak to you or show himself to you, and make it a mystery of who he actually was.

That's all I can really say, I don't like talking about it because no one believes me anyway except other people who have experienced it. I could lie and say that you're right and I'm just guessing it's Christ because whatever reason, but I'm not.

The other explanation, besides me lying of course, is that I'm being deceived. In which case, I couldn't explain it any other way anyway.
When I was ~13 i had some sort of religious experience at a bible camp where i felt God's presence very strongly and decided God wanted me to go to India to do charity work. A couple of years later I decided that this feeling was probably very similar to the religious experiences reported by thousands of people over the years who had cited them as proof of the veracity of many different religions and decided that such an experience is probably very poor evidence of the existence of god.

Are you saying there's some stronger version of what i experienced that can convince you that what you feel is so definitely the presence of Christ that you can disregard the fact that many people have described the same experience you have in connection to many other religions?

How do you think you would interpret this feeling if you'd grown up in a Shamanist tribe in Mongolia and had never heard of Christianity?
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03-24-2014 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Abysmal
When I was ~13 i had some sort of religious experience at a bible camp where i felt God's presence very strongly and decided God wanted me to go to India to do charity work. A couple of years later I decided that this feeling was probably very similar to the religious experiences reported by thousands of people over the years who had cited them as proof of the veracity of many different religions and decided that such an experience is probably very poor evidence of the existence of god.

Are you saying there's some stronger version of what i experienced that can convince you that what you feel is so definitely the presence of Christ that you can disregard the fact that many people have described the same experience you have in connection to many other religions?

How do you think you would interpret this feeling if you'd grown up in a Shamanist tribe in Mongolia and had never heard of Christianity?
Your question seems a bit strange, since you seem to be saying that you actually don't believe that the presence is God, but then you're asking me if God can really reveal himself through that presence. Not sure if you're condescending or not, but I'll bite anyway.

I realize I come across pretty pretty obtuse, arrogant, maybe throw some ignorance in there, and a few other negative adjectives as well. All I can describe to you is my experiences, and that of other Christians. Like I always say, maybe I'm wrong, nothing is a hundred percent. I'm not really looking to debate this, if you think I'm wrong, I can't really defend my view, so you're right in a way.

Have you ever heard of God, or heaven, be referred to as "the upside down kingdom"? Consider these things: The bible says that in order to save your life, you have to lose it. In order to be strong, you have to be weak. To be esteemed, you must be humble. That's why the first will be last, and the last, first. It's the same reason the Jews expected Christ, and expect him still, to come with power and prestige, and didn't recognize him as a lowly carpenter, who lived to serve others and to die a humble death.

So why am I saying all this? Because you can't please God without faith. People want to see proof in order to believe, but God will give you proof after you believe. God (usually) doesn't reveal himself to people who don't believe in him, at least with the level of assurance I'm describing. He has in the past, but for this conversation, lets say he doesn't. People who are sitting back and waiting for a sign from God in order to believe, all the while blaspheming the idea of him and what he stands for, are probably not going to get a sign. If they stepped out in faith, and sought him humbly and persistently, that is, believed in him, then he gives you many signs. More than signs, in fact. Being born again is about a relationship with Christ. If I didn't have that relationship, I would not live how I live, so yes, the presence you're asking about can be a whisper that you doubt as soon as it passes, or the Lord speaking into your sprit as sure as you exist.

I'm just some guy. I didn't grow up in a religious home, or go to church on Sunday. I went to College, I drank too much and did too many drugs, I'm just an average guy. I just happened to hit rock bottom and cried out to God and he answered me. That's it. You can choose to interpret my little rant however you'd like to, it's completely up to you.
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03-25-2014 , 12:40 AM
Sorry I wasn't trying to be condescending

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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude

I realize I come across pretty pretty obtuse, arrogant, maybe throw some ignorance in there, and a few other negative adjectives as well. All I can describe to you is my experiences, and that of other Christians. Like I always say, maybe I'm wrong, nothing is a hundred percent. I'm not really looking to debate this, if you think I'm wrong, I can't really defend my view, so you're right in a way.

My point was that it isn't just Christians who report these experiences, many people say they have very similar feelings of interaction with their own Gods. Presumably you know this yet believe that your experience is proof of the christian God anyway. I was wondering if you'd thought about this and how you justified still accepting your experience as evidence of the Christian God?
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03-25-2014 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Abysmal
Sorry I wasn't trying to be condescending

My point was that it isn't just Christians who report these experiences, many people say they have very similar feelings of interaction with their own Gods. Presumably you know this yet believe that your experience is proof of the christian God anyway. I was wondering if you'd thought about this and how you justified still accepting your experience as evidence of the Christian God?
I never met anyone that claimed to have a relationship with their God. I have seen the opposite though, an ex Hindu, and Buddhist, both claimed they never had any assurance or comfort.

If I met someone who claimed that they had a relationship with Vishnu, then what can I say? Maybe they're right, and I'm wrong. Maybe our own brains deceive us. Maybe we're both wrong and Descartes' Evil Genius exists and is going to great lengths to deceive us, or maybe only one of us is deceived.
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09-24-2014 , 11:03 PM
War, pain, bad beat's, disconnection, downswings, rake.

Peace, love, (same - bad beat's, disconnection, but now on other side) somebody's downswing - ur upswing... See???

God love coin flips... everywhere!!.... So he/she loves you!!! ....
But not today.

And yeah what about rake???... Aaaaa... Where hell the God!!!
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09-28-2014 , 12:00 AM
Why on earth would something from your imagination that you worship and love, not love you back?

What kind of answers were you expecting to get other than, "Impossible. Of course, god loves me.".
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10-26-2014 , 09:03 PM
lol donkaments

I believe in karma and God btw
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10-28-2014 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyD
Even Jesus at his most painful moment on the cross asked Father Father why have you forsaken me? These words came from Jesus. Sometimes when we endure suffering its hard to feel loved. But he will never leave you nor forsake you. Trust in his word and not your feelings. Feelings are misleading , Stand on Gods word and his promises. God hates sin but not the sinner. He so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that none should perish but have everlasting life
Those words are the opening of Psalm 22, it was commonly recited as prayer in times of despair. Though considering it's entirety, and that it was written roughly 1000 years before the crucifixion, Jesus was alluding to the fulfillment of a unrecognized prohpecy.
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11-09-2014 , 03:23 AM
Jesus just gave Bubba Watson an eagle on 18 in Shanghai
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