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07-06-2015 , 04:09 PM
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Think of god as if it was just a word, kind of like that prayer you might have said before a meal with your family. "God is great, god is good"

God = good. ? well..

So some might think god is everything, some might say god exists some might see fleeting glimpses of good and not let it absorb into their brain , or even enjoy a little too much of heaven and think they themselves are god.

Im not sure what my point is, but God only exists if you think it does.
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07-09-2015 , 01:22 PM
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you believe god only exists if you tink it does because that is your belief

that doesnt make it true
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07-09-2015 , 03:50 PM
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you believe god only exists if you tink it does because that is your belief

that doesnt make it true
Of course its true, why would I lie
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07-09-2015 , 04:10 PM
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Think of god as if it was just a word, kind of like that prayer you might have said before a meal with your family. "God is great, god is good"

God = good. ? well..

So some might think god is everything, some might say god exists some might see fleeting glimpses of good and not let it absorb into their brain , or even enjoy a little too much of heaven and think they themselves are god.

Im not sure what my point is, but God only exists if you think it does.
Are you saying God is only a product of the mind?
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07-09-2015 , 05:00 PM
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Are you saying God is only a product of the mind?
Maybe I am saying that, maybe I am saying we as a collective created or thought up god, kind of like as a missing factor or element in an attempt to solve the equations or problems that are puzzling the mind and the heart.
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07-09-2015 , 05:06 PM
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Maybe I am saying that, maybe I am saying we as a collective created or thought up god, kind of like as a missing factor or element in an attempt to solve the equations or problems that are puzzling the mind and the heart.
Basically, just an explanation for our ignorance yes I agree with this.
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07-09-2015 , 05:22 PM
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Basically, just an explanation for our ignorance yes I agree with this.
yes, and during coincidence.
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07-09-2015 , 07:15 PM
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The fact that we exist proves there is a creator imo
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07-09-2015 , 07:32 PM
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The fact that we exist proves there is a creator imo
Hey, that's fair enough, but the only thing im coming up with is mother/father.

Don't ask me how the first being came into existence because I simply don't know and im not about to make something up.
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07-09-2015 , 09:54 PM
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The fact that we exist proves there is a creator imo
Can you reach this conclusion without being circular?
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07-09-2015 , 11:49 PM
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Hey, that's fair enough, but the only thing im coming up with is mother/father.

Don't ask me how the first being came into existence because I simply don't know and im not about to make something up.
There is this..

And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.

and for eve

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon man, and he slept, and He took one of his sides, and He closed the flesh in its place.

And the Lord God built the side that He had taken from man into a woman


I don't know with exactness what is symbolic or not.
People who have been studying the Bible for years will say there is no right or wrong answer.

source of italicized text http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_.../Chapter-2.htm
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Hey, that's fair enough, but the only thing im coming up with is mother/father.

Don't ask me how the first being came into existence because I simply don't know and im not about to make something up.
Correct you cannot answer it

Which means you cannot prove God doesn't exist which was your premise

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Correct you cannot answer it

Which means you cannot prove God doesn't exist which was your premise

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I think he is saying god DOES exist. But I am not sure.
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07-10-2015 , 03:04 PM
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im not sure either
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07-10-2015 , 03:05 PM
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Correct you cannot answer it

Which means you cannot prove God doesn't exist which was your premise

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Wait, what ? I don't think I can prove God doesn't exist (although maybe I have).

Where did I say "I can prove God doesn't exist" because I see that typed in your post but I don't see it in mine, you'll have to point it out to me.

I probably did prove that god doesn't exist, but I don't think I typed "I can prove God doesn't exist" the way you did..
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07-10-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Just because I think God doesn't exist doesn't mean I can prove it.


I appreciate the discussion, even if I caused confusion It has helped to further my belief, or lack of belief.
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07-10-2015 , 03:12 PM
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And then there is convincing or proving it to myself and there is proving it to others, im not even sure ive convinced myself 100%.

But as you can see there are levels...
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07-10-2015 , 03:38 PM
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When you say god only exists because we think he does it implies he doesn't exist
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07-10-2015 , 03:44 PM
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When you say god only exists because we think he does it implies he doesn't exist
Unless we think he exists, in which case he exists.
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Unless we think he exists, in which case he exists.
Ya, but then it is just conceptual and doesn't really exist.
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07-10-2015 , 04:13 PM
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Ya, but then it is just conceptual and doesn't really exist.
Is that the true Scotsman of existence statements?
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07-10-2015 , 04:17 PM
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No, do ideas really exist? Can they be measured?
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07-10-2015 , 04:35 PM
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No, do ideas really exist? Can they be measured?
Are the only things that exist things that can be measured?
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07-10-2015 , 05:58 PM
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I would say so yes.
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07-10-2015 , 06:09 PM
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I would say so yes.
Can your claim be measured in any way?
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