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Old 06-10-2012, 11:08 PM   #61
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Re: What good argument in there that God exists?

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Has anyone on this forum ever been converted? jw
I was an atheist up until 2 years ago. I have since been "saved", if you will.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:11 AM   #62
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I was an atheist up until 2 years ago. I have since been "saved", if you will.
So how much of an educated of an atheist were you? And what converted you ? Evidence? Argument? God himself showed up at your front door?

I can't really believe an educated atheist can covert into a religious person. There is no existing evidence or argument out there that could do that for me.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:38 AM   #63
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So how much of an educated of an atheist were you? And what converted you ? Evidence? Argument? God himself showed up at your front door?

I can't really believe an educated atheist can covert into a religious person. There is no existing evidence or argument out there that could do that for me.
There are plenty of testimonies from former atheist, educated and unrefined alike, that have been converted to theism.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:40 AM   #64
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There are plenty of testimonies from former atheist, educated and unrefined alike, that have been converted to theism.
You didn't answer my questions. Care to tell me what converted you? Former atheists who after reading their convention stories one could clearly see they converted due to their lack of reason.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:41 AM   #65
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So how much of an educated of an atheist were you? And what converted you ? Evidence? Argument? God himself showed up at your front door?

I can't really believe an educated atheist can covert into a religious person. There is no existing evidence or argument out there that could do that for me.
I would wager that the large majority of former atheists were almost certainly apathetic.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:57 AM   #66
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Let me start with saying religion is a huge joke. Kind of like boxing being a sport.

I don't understand why people aren't smart enough to come to the realization that no one knows if god exists.

There could be a god, there could be no god. Does it really matter?

The important part is the fact that there COULD be a god.
Ill say this, I believe that if their is a god I will never find out even after I die.


Being an atheists is just as bad sa being religious.

Just be a human! Believe in yourself , there is no reason to worry about things you can't control.

That being said, I doubt a person can control if they believe in god anymore than they can choose to be gay or straight.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:57 AM   #67
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This is a big one for me, too.
grunching from here.

If you were to come to the conclusion that the Bible is accurate and historical, then Jesus performs plenty of miracles that satisfy this.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:00 AM   #68
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I would wager that the large majority of former atheists were almost certainly apathetic.
I'm pretty sure many of them had no idea that they converted due to their inability to see through the BS that converted them. If only someone was there to point it out to them that they became victims of the snake oil salesman .
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:03 AM   #69
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Being an atheists is just as bad sa being religious.
I'm sorry but how is not buying into religious claims as bad as being religious? Please explain.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:05 AM   #70
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If you were to come to the conclusion that the Bible is accurate and historical, then Jesus performs plenty of miracles that satisfy this.
But it is not accurate and is not historical, so from the beginning this is unrealistic unless one completely suspends logic and lies to himself that the bible is accurate and historical.
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grunching from here.

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Any verified demonstration of the laws of physics being suspended
Not really.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:28 AM   #72
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I'm sorry but how is not buying into religious claims as bad as being religious? Please explain.
Because no one knows whether god exists or not.
You are buying into atheists claims which is absurd when it is blatantly obvious that no knows the answer.

I will concede atheists side is more realist bc the religious reason for believing in god is based on lies(my bias showing lol). Where as atheists non belief is based on current human knowledge. Tho the existence of god remains unproveable
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:52 AM   #73
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Because no one knows whether god exists or not.
You are buying into atheists claims which is absurd when it is blatantly obvious that no knows the answer.

I will concede atheists side is more realist bc the religious reason for believing in god is based on lies(my bias showing lol). Where as atheists non belief is based on current human knowledge. Tho the existence of god remains unproveable
Obviously, no one knows for certain that god(s) doesn't exist. Everyone is agnostic to an extent. Atheists are simply rejecting the claims made, (usually) do to a lack of convincing reasons.

Very few people are gnostic atheists, like you claim, that think they know with absolute certainty that god(s) doesn't exist.
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Because no one knows whether leprechauns exists or not.
You are buying into a-leprechaunist claims which is absurd when it is blatantly obvious that no knows the answer.

I will concede a-leprechaunist side is more realist bc the religious reason for believing in leprechauns is based on lies(my bias showing lol). Where as a-leprechaunist non belief is based on current human knowledge. Tho the existence of leprechauns remains unproveable
Do you see where you went wrong?
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