What is the correlation between my sins and Jesus dieing on the cross? Whats the connection?

There is no correlation.

in god's eyes, nothing washes away sin like the blood and suffering of the innocent.

the smell of fresh blood makes gods happy including Jesus...

God also has a fondness for "burnt offerings".

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It's the same as "And they all lived HAPPILY ever after!" Just a fairytale that some people take too seriously. I like to think of bible thumpers in the same light as sci fi nerds who go to conventions thinking star wars is really happening right now somewhere out "THERE"

God is holy and requires justice for sin. The punishment for sin is "death" - separation from God in hell.

Everyone has sinned and deserves hell. God requires perfect sinlessness, so only one sin sends someone to hell.

But God is also merciful and will accept a perfect sinless human sacrifice. Only God is sinless, so God took on human form in the person of Jesus Christ, who lived the sinless life.

Jesus took the wrath of God, the Father, on the cross for those who would accept his imputed righteousness. So Jesus paid the price for our sins by dying on the cross. Jesus proved he is God by his resurrection from the dead as he said he would.

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drowning thousands/millions/billions of animals and humans by a global flood is not a sin? hmm....

I would rather live in hell for eternity than bow down before this exacting, tyrant master. **** this God.

The willingness to sacrifice enacted the promise to Abraham, "that he'd be the man, have a lot of descendants and what not".

Abraham first had to man up and sacrifice his son to prove his allegiance to God. God of course stopped him at the last second.

Later the Law of Moses comes around, everyone breaks the covenant and are therefore screwed and under the curse of Deut. chapter 28, which basically explains that they're going to go into slavery. Jesus dies to reenact the covenant.

Blood debt. It's an ancient Semitic tradition and belief. You will find it nowhere in modern theology, but that is certainly what informed first-century Judaic Christians.

The modern idea behind it is nonsensical. It holds that God requires justice, is all-forgiving, but somehow isn't capable of forgiving Original Sin.

Or, you know, it's metaphor. But we already have an increasingly tiring thread on that...

Actually there are many views that are nothing like this, but why actually learn what people believe when you can just pretend what people believe.

Yeah. 'Cause the theists ITF never do that to the atheists.

are you implying that nobody believes what you quoted?

This story has always confused me. The moral appears to be: the correct action to take when someone with authority over you tells you to do something immoral is to do it anyway?

Additionally the "of course" here is misplaced - is allowing the sacrifice worse than eg what God did to Job?

The "do what you are told" commandments:

Romans 13:1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.

"Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters"
Ephesians 6
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men

What about star trek? Star fleet really exists right? I am doing an online math course so i can apply next year. My life's ambition is to become a senior officer on a galaxy class star ship.

You got me worried now

You should read a bit more closely. Turn Prophet explicitly said about blood debt that "You'll find this nowhere in modern theology." He is not talking about the views of later Christian theology, but rather the origins of the idea that death sacrifice was necessary for the forgiveness of sins in the first place. In fact, he is correct that the idea of blood sacrifice (see for instance the common practice of animal sacrifice) was live idea in the time of Jesus even though it is mostly not now.

There's a huge difference between animal sacrifice and human sacrifice in ancient Judaism, isn't there? From wiki:

While animal sacrifice was part of the practice of ancient Judaism, the Tanakh (Old Testament) and Jewish teaching portray human sacrifice as one of the evils that separated the pagans of Canaan from the Hebrews (Deut 12:31, 2 Kings 16:3). Jews were prohibited from engaging in these rituals and were punished for doing so (Ex 34:15, Lev 20:2, Deut 18:12, Jer 7:31). In fact, ritual cleanliness for priests prohibited even being in the same room as a human corpse (Lev 21:11).

The moral is your going to have to make a sacrifice (in most instances, your ego). Even when you don't understand, trust God.

Abraham showed his love of God was greater than his son or even his understanding (I'd argue once you see the big picture, you'll start to understand however).

There is no authority other than God (1st commandment). If you recognise someone might know more about God than you, I'd recommend you consider what they have to say. No church leaders or officials qualify IMO. Deuteronomy is the Law, everything else is a recommendation.

I was responding to the second line of his post as much as the first line.

Well, I tend to agree with Turn Prophet that the idea of Original Sin doesn't make sense on modern moral assumptions. And while it's true that not all doctrines of the atonement rely on the original doctrine of Original Sin (or Total Depravity or Sin Nature, etc), some version of it is assumed by most modern orthodox Christians. That is, most orthodox Christians believe that Jesus' death was necessary for our salvation because our sins or propensity to sin, would otherwise prevent God from giving us eternal life in heaven.

However, I know you have a fairly specific view of the atonement, so feel free to show me how the Christus Victor model avoids these problems.

This is a quick read: http://blog.marshill.com/2011/10/12/...he-cup/#prayer

It's part of a longer sermon, so I'd recommend watching the sermon if it catches your attention, or for a fuller look.

"I am a sinner. I was hanged on a tree. In Christ jistice has been done. I am a free man." -John Piper's most recent tweet.