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Old 10-09-2011, 01:49 PM   #1
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What does it even mean "Jesus died for our sins?"

What is the correlation between my sins and Jesus dieing on the cross? Whats the connection?
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:17 PM   #2
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There is no correlation.
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Old 10-09-2011, 05:26 PM   #3
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in god's eyes, nothing washes away sin like the blood and suffering of the innocent.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:40 AM   #4
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the smell of fresh blood makes gods happy including Jesus...
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:53 PM   #5
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God also has a fondness for "burnt offerings".
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:08 PM   #6
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:12 PM   #7
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It's the same as "And they all lived HAPPILY ever after!" Just a fairytale that some people take too seriously. I like to think of bible thumpers in the same light as sci fi nerds who go to conventions thinking star wars is really happening right now somewhere out "THERE"
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:23 PM   #8
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God is holy and requires justice for sin. The punishment for sin is "death" - separation from God in hell.

Everyone has sinned and deserves hell. God requires perfect sinlessness, so only one sin sends someone to hell.

But God is also merciful and will accept a perfect sinless human sacrifice. Only God is sinless, so God took on human form in the person of Jesus Christ, who lived the sinless life.

Jesus took the wrath of God, the Father, on the cross for those who would accept his imputed righteousness. So Jesus paid the price for our sins by dying on the cross. Jesus proved he is God by his resurrection from the dead as he said he would.

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Old 10-10-2011, 03:06 PM   #9
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God is holy and requires justice for sin. The punishment for sin is "death" - separation from God in hell.

Everyone has sinned and deserves hell. God requires perfect sinlessness, so only one sin sends someone to hell.

But God is also merciful and will accept a perfect sinless human sacrifice. Only God is sinless, so God took on human form in the person of Jesus Christ, who lived the sinless life.

Jesus took the wrath of God, the Father, on the cross for those who would accept his imputed righteousness. So Jesus paid the price for our sins by dying on the cross. Jesus proved he is God by his resurrection from the dead as he said he would.

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drowning thousands/millions/billions of animals and humans by a global flood is not a sin? hmm....
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God is holy and requires justice for sin. The punishment for sin is "death" - separation from God in hell.

Everyone has sinned and deserves hell.

But God is also merciful and will accept a perfect sinless human sacrifice.

Jesus took the wrath of God,

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I would rather live in hell for eternity than bow down before this exacting, tyrant master. **** this God.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:38 PM   #11
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The willingness to sacrifice enacted the promise to Abraham, "that he'd be the man, have a lot of descendants and what not".

Abraham first had to man up and sacrifice his son to prove his allegiance to God. God of course stopped him at the last second.

Later the Law of Moses comes around, everyone breaks the covenant and are therefore screwed and under the curse of Deut. chapter 28, which basically explains that they're going to go into slavery. Jesus dies to reenact the covenant.
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Blood debt. It's an ancient Semitic tradition and belief. You will find it nowhere in modern theology, but that is certainly what informed first-century Judaic Christians.

The modern idea behind it is nonsensical. It holds that God requires justice, is all-forgiving, but somehow isn't capable of forgiving Original Sin.

Or, you know, it's metaphor. But we already have an increasingly tiring thread on that...
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Blood debt. It's an ancient Semitic tradition and belief. You will find it nowhere in modern theology, but that is certainly what informed first-century Judaic Christians.

The modern idea behind it is nonsensical. It holds that God requires justice, is all-forgiving, but somehow isn't capable of forgiving Original Sin.

Or, you know, it's metaphor. But we already have an increasingly tiring thread on that...
Actually there are many views that are nothing like this, but why actually learn what people believe when you can just pretend what people believe.
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Actually there are many views that are nothing like this, but why actually learn what people believe when you can just pretend what people believe.
Yeah. 'Cause the theists ITF never do that to the atheists.
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Actually there are many views that are nothing like this, but why actually learn what people believe when you can just pretend what people believe.
are you implying that nobody believes what you quoted?
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