I still couldn't find it on their website or official policy statement where they support jailing gay people, besides one "fellow" making a one-off statement in an interview. I have no dog in the fight. Convince me. Prove it.

The standard of evidence seems to be extremely low when it comes to categorizing christian and/or conservative organizations. It is because you have a rigid, narrow and shallow underlying bias that you are working off of and interpret all evidence through.

Secondly, I find it curious that you quote-block the word behavior. From a Christian perspective there are LOTS of behaviors that I am naturally inclined to, but do not act upon. I am married. And seperated from my wife for months at a clip.

Are my biological triggers firing full blast when I am at a function late at night and talking to a beautiful woman after not having sex for three months? You are damn right they are. If I CHOOSE to take off my ring and woo said woman and bed her, would it not qualify as bad "behavior?"

I just quit smoking. I LOVE to smoke. I have cravings over my morning coffee and every time I have a beer or take a break.

If I walk to the store and buy a pack, is it not my choice? Am I not making decisions?

Idk. Maybe liberalism IS a mental disease.

Knew a friend who used to say it a lot. Thought it was bunk.

But starting to see how irrational and slippery it really is.

What?? Are you saying homosexuals could 'choose' not to be gay?

No, that's not true. I'm not anti-Christian. But I am against those that are anti-gay rights. I am very happy for people being Christian, so long as they avoid the anti-gay part.

It is amazing how you would make yourself out to be the victim here, though, when it's pretty clear that's not the case.

As for the FRC, they would not deny their anti-gay agenda given what they've done so far. Contact them and see what they say if you don't believe us.

Doggg, You are equating gay behaviour with bad behaviour.

In what way is gay behaviour bad? What makes it bad behaviour?

Now you're just deliberately looking to be argumentative. The question put forward was whether homosexual behaviour should be criminalised, as opposed to simply being homosexual. While some Christians even believe the latter (remember that pastor who recently spoke about rounding up all the gays and putting them in a fenced-off area?), this question was limited to their behaviour (context was sodomy laws).

Anyway, gl kicking your smoking habit!

Sure. I'll say that. Some can, I know some that have. Fact.

Clue: There is no gay gene, AND, The APA states the following:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...al_Association

Oh, wait, dang-it.

I forgot how it works:

Rule 1: If you were gay and went straight, well you're still gay

Rule 2: If you were straight and went gay, well, you were
really gay all along.

Funny how that works.

False. If we're citing psych organizations, The Royal College of Psychiatrists says in the wiki article on homosexuality (emphasis mine):

"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice."

People can choose to engage in homosexual behaviors, but they can not choose to feel attraction to members of a certain gender. The attraction happens on its own.

You made this post some time in the past, right? I recognize it. I don't see why you brought it up here, though. You're getting ahead of yourself, and it doesn't speak to choice really.

1) If you are gay and undergo some sort of sexual orientation change effort and come out 'straight,' you are still gay. These things have been shown not to work. They can help you not engage in homosexual activity, but it doesn't change who you are attracted to, as the studies have shown.

2) Many gay people pretend to be straight because of people like you. That they later come out as gay doesn't mean they changed sexual orientations, only that they changed their public behaviors.

Nice little fairy tale you tell. Too bad it's 100% bull****.

I know you want to believe it really bad, but it's just not true.

For example: Anne Heche said she never had a gay feeling in her life
until she met Ellen on the Oprah show. Then when she was done with
her gay phase, she decided to go straight again.

You mean that Anne Heche is bisexual, and her decisions were for her behaviors, not for her attractions. Find me a quote where she states that she was choosing to not feel attraction to females anymore.

And you missed my other post.

Let's also look at Cynthia Nixon, since that should be coming soon. First, she said that she was gay and she was straight, and she was choosing to be gay. But then: http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-n...ual-not-choice

"While I don't often use the word, the technically precise term for my orientation is bisexual. I believe bisexuality is not a choice, it is a fact. What I have 'chosen' is to be in a gay relationship."

She admits to having phrased it poorly, which is similar to what Anne Heche may have done, but clearly states that her sexual orientation is not a choice.

I wonder if festeringZit feels it's his 'choice' to be attracted towards women?

It should be obvious (at least to people not blinded by ideology) why people make this assumption. There are a lot of reasons why someone in our society who is attracted to people of their own gender would nonetheless be in a heterosexual relationship or identify as straight. There are many fewer reasons (and opportunities) why someone who is attracted to people of the opposite gender would nonetheless be in a homosexual relationship or identify as gay.

In other words, this assumption is a result of contingent facts about our own society, not a generalization that applies to all societies.

Ahh, so Anne Heche is bisexual, but she states clearly that she
never had a gay thought until she met Ellen.

Interesting how that works.