Originally Posted by Howard Beale
I don't dismiss the idea of a God because I don't think very much of human intelligence and suspect that science has missed the mark. To those who don't think so I reply that there comes a time when I think I'm entitled to call BS on science when science has to trot out a multi-verse in order to get around what appears to be fine tuning. But that's another thread.
I love this argument, because it depends on "predicting the past".
You are one out of roughly 50million sperm cells. Your chance of being "the one"? 1:50,000,000. The chance that your mother and your father met?
Two out of 7 billion? The chance that their parents were born.......you know where I'm going with this? If you "predict the past" like this, you can only come to one conclusion. The whole Universe, all galaxies, all stars, the Earth and life were only created with YOU and only YOU in mind.
Because if you "predict the past" and the chances of you writing that post here in this forum, after roughly 15billion years of the Universe existing and all the little things that could have happened in between to the chances of winning the lottery every week for your whole life......you get my point.
So this argument is an argument from ignorance.
You do not know completely why the Universe has the properties you can observe, therefore there could not exist a different arrangement of physical laws, therefore all the laws and the Universe was "fine-tuned" for YOU, so that YOU can think about how nice it is of God to have created everything with you in mind. How convenient, no?
This is the arrogance of the arrogant or prejudiced, not the curiosity of the "discoverer". It's a trait we all have in common. We think about ourselves, therefore the Universe was created for us, so that we can think about it.
Originally Posted by Howard Beale
OTOH, and it's a BIG OTOH, I often find myself very jealous of those who practice a peaceful, tolerant religion because they have a sanctuary, a place of calm, that they can access and that I can't. I'm sure it's a comfort and if the basis for it isn't real who cares? The comfort is real and if this is a Godless, one of an infinite number, universe I see no reason not to have the illusion.
There is no "peaceful religion". There are only people who dominated other fairy-tale people enough and killed enough and enslaved enough of them, so that they can create a place for themselves, where they can construct said "peace". Buddhism is a "science of the mind", as the Dalai Lama says (to me, it's still holds all characteristics of a religion), so you can use for example meditation to create your own "sanctuary". You can form a life you enjoy, follow your own ideology and concentrate on making yourself happy HERE, in the ONLY LIFE YOU HAVE.
Either you do that and you think "it's cool to have the chance to be me", otherwise you turn into a beggar and slave and try to appease your imaginary master, who may or may not reward you for denouncing your nature and the rationality of your thoughts.
For me, it's an easy call. But for most of those, who are in the process of the "awakening" or "enlightenment", sitting in the "dark" and begging the invisible to turn on the "light" may seems like the easy way. Waiting for daddy to turn on the light and telling you what to do, what to feel and how to live and then (maybe) rewarding you for being a drone and a slave.