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Originally Posted by Lestat
It's possible one of us is confusing opinionated with subjective. Chocolate being better than Vanilla is very clearly an opinion and not a truism. This is because it is subjective.
Yes. And we use the word "opinion" for such things.
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The candy bar is in the box is a true/false proposition. It either is, or it isn't. You seem to be saying that this requires a belief, while the chocolate/vanilla requires only an opinion. I suppose I have no problem with this.
But when I follow your suggestion and look into what I mean by "true", I still come up with how certain I can be about any given proposition.
In the framework you've provided, you've made "true" depend on you and your ability to know. This means that for the candy bar, there is no true/false about the matter because you can never know.
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I cannot be certain that chocolate is better than vanilla even though I think it is.
You can be fairly certain that there is no objective reality that indicates chocolate is better than vanilla.
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The candy bar in the box (like god), is either true or it isn't. A god either exists, or it doesn't. My belief about such things depends on my level of certainty.
Your belief about such things depend upon you, not upon whether it is true or false.
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What I'm trying to find out here is if people are correct to call my non belief in a god a belief.
Again, you have the three categories. If you legitimately have no opinion on the matter, then it's difficult to frame your position as a belief. For you, it's not so much that you have a non-belief, but rather you have a dis-belief. There's an affirmative statement about not-God that you're making.
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Or if atheism is a belief (or belief system). I highly doubt there is a god. Does that mean I "believe" there is no god? I'm starting to think it does.
I think that framing your perspective as a belief seems the most reasonable thing to do. I tend to think that framing it as non-belief is really problematic and virtually always intellectually dishonest.