http://www.tbiomed.com/content/7/1/3


LOL.

No one would be having this debate if there were previously religious text books and pseudo scientists claiming atomic weapons were impossible to make.

Evolution is 'pushed' onto people the same way 2+2=4 is pushed on people or the existence of Napoleon or the holocaust is pushed on people. A comment like this seems to be basically against education and the discovery of knowledge, which rests on the fact that we can establish certain ideas beyond reasonable doubt and teach them to the next generation without having to start from scratch each time.

A computer and DNA has very few similarities, that both can be seen as information processing systems tells you more about the term "information" than it does about computers and DNA.

Madnak's commentary is correct, the article is also correct and the LOL is misguided.

Right. And as soon as someone starts talking about DNA as information we'll hear about how stupid that is. You guys are totally transparent.

That depends completely on what said "talk" claims information is and what it is claimed that would imply. As my post above aluded to information has many meanings, that by necessity implies that an information processing system can be many things.

I don't really know why I bother even giving you a serious reply if you're just going to use "you guys" and insinuate that, whomever we might be, lack integrity and pose a joint front towards your persona. It's not like Madnak and I tend to automatically agree on stuff.

I want to make a distinction here. Biological evolution is just the fact that living things and systems change over time, so that part is just the way things work. The stuff being batted around is the theory of how it happens. And I agree, people get to explore ideas in ways that work for them.

My problem with the fundamentalist viewpoint, and I'm not speaking of you here, is THEY insist on pushing their beliefs into the minds of the young. Putting a label "evolution is only a theory" on the outside of a textbook is simply incorrect. It is about teaching a whole generation of kids to not think.

It's a lie. You know who the father of lies is.

OTOH, the problem I have with your average non-professional evolution "supporter" is that most of them only have about 1% of what is known correct, aren't interested in education only domination, and appear to me to be as bigoted as anyone, being unable to receive ideas not in line with their dogma and respond in any sort of useful way.

Sometimes I wish I were a mod here and could just have one thread at a time where all ad hom comments were banned. Where everyone had to discuss the topic in a civil manner, and create a dialogue about these issues. Or any issues.

I might start one just on the concept of randomness, because I think it's poorly understood re: biological evolution. I also think it's poorly understood in terms of Divine Intervention. Esp by me.

namaste-

prax-

+1

You know, if we could get madnak to agree to police it tightly... maybe we could have a code for it, like:
Pure Dialogue: Topic. Then, whenever a "Pure Dialogue" thread appears, it would operate under those established parameters.

Not sure he wants to do that, though. Maybe AJ could, also?

What do you think, Arouet? Mods?

Sure, you could call them anything, "civil" threads? I would think AJ might be interested...