well sorry, im not a sheep who is willing to give your "God" the benefit of the doubt unless he gives me a reason to. based on reading the bible, there is no reason to trust that God has our best interests in mind, just his own selfish reasons. If thats the kind of God you want to believe in and worship (just because he is a "God"), go for it.

Fair enough.

No, that it is not fair. He has provided plenty, even when we didn't deserve it. If you want some other god who doesn't want what's best for humanity go worship satan dknightx.

If God was selfish, we would not have free will.

have you ever once in your life considered the possibility that your beliefs are wrong?

Of course, but when they are shown to me that they are wrong instead of just someone saying "your wrong".

Do you consider that you look at God's Word in the wrong light considering that just about everything you claim regarding Scripture is shown to be wrong?

question everything, never defend

its because of your price and sinful nature that you think this is all people are saying to you.

links please.

and being "shown wrong" about scripture is basically **** because there are plenty of Christians or biblical scholars who agree with me. Just because you or Pletho dont doesnt make your interpretation "right".

Hypothetically, if you had an established belief system that, correct or incorrect, you had as much faith in as you do in Christianity, and someone came along and showed you a random book, ie the Bible and said this is the word of god, this sole book is the only way to get to heaven etc etc. What would your gods honest opinion of this random contradicting book? A book that you only believe is the word of god because the book itself says it is the word of god, completely circular.

It will probably hard for you to imagine believing in something else because of course, whats the point when the thing you believe in is obv 100% correct, but if you did, can you honestly say this book of yours would convince you that you're wrong? Do you see what everyone else is saying when they're like, um, actually, we're gonna need a bit more than that thank you, and considering itd be so easy to do its quite frankly either laziness or a misjudgement to expect intelligent beings created in your own image to not believe in you, when thats the only purpose you created them for.

Should probably re word this rambly post but meh.

There are no contradictions.

dknightx, i don't have to link you to most of your posts regarding Scripture, i am sure you can find them.

just admit you are too inept to do it

Must be true also. If you really want, and say please, i will post a thread showing how most of your statements regarding Scripture were shown to be wrong.

please do, i would be happy to contribute to such a thread.

Fine. When i have some free time i will. I don't recall you ever saying one true thing in regards to the Bible unless you were quoting it. You take it the exact opposite of how it is meant to be took.

well then i look forward to that thread

Wait. You say we can look in our hearts and we know 9/11 was evil, but we can't look in our hearts and say that what God did in the OT was evil. Or that God's refusal to do this or that that we'd like him to know is evil.

So basically you don't have to explain why the militants who attacked the WTC are wrong: they just are; and you don't have to explain why your god isn't wrong: he just isn't. Wave of hands, flash of light, bit of smoke, da da!

Boing, zam, bong! Precisely.

God is infintitely greater than us. Let's use the analogy of a chess master.

If we look at a chess move a chess master makes and think 'wow I wouldn't' have done that, what a dumb move' we are probably wrong... he's thought of things we haven't, studied chess for many years and this move is calculated in ways we can't think of.

But if we look at a person who has never played chess before, and we know something about chess strategy, we are probably right. He isn't thinking at this higher level and his move is bad.

In the same way, discussing something God has done is different than discussing something a human has done.

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The chess master and chess amateur are KNOWNS in your analogy. God is an unknown. He HAS to be an unknown, because the very item in question is God's "chess" ability. You want us to think circularly and we refuse to.