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Stephen Hawking: "There is no possibility of a creator" Stephen Hawking: "There is no possibility of a creator"

06-23-2014 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitch-22
The man writes for the Daily Mail, which if you're not from the UK you might not know, but is a major source of national embarrassment.
How dare you! I am a staunchly right wing, conservative, white, middle class, christian patriot. I dislike Labour politicians, immigrants (who are the cause of ALL my problems), strong women, anyone claiming benefits and Islam, all of it. I support my country's military in all that they do, without reserve. I also don't believe in Anthropogenic global warming. I love the Daily Mail and I'm an avid reader, it tells me all about the things I already believe. The Daily Mail website is the most visited 'news' site on the web, how can you argue with THAT?
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06-24-2014 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude
In the video, "" Hawking outlines his view on the universe and claims that there is "no possibility of a creator".

Hawking's arguments:

-There was no time before the big bang.
-A cause can only exist in time.
-A creator is a cause.
-A creator could not have existed

-We see protons pop into existence at subatomic levels.
-The universe can likewise have popped into existence.
-The universe created itself.

His view is that since time began at the big bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anything, so the explanation is that time itself began at the big bang and the universe created itself.

The video explains it in more detail, but this is the abridged view.

Agree or disagree?

This is one issue man cannot fully understand and explain.
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06-24-2014 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude
I agree, he doesn't, but he invokes God when he rejects him as an alternative. That's why I think this whole video is strange, it seems very unlike him to delve into this subject, especially when his conclusion seems more philosophical.
While reading Hawking and Mlodinow's 'The Grand Design' I kept thinking that it was at least as much philosophy as it was science. I was expecting only science but found it to be an interesting read.
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06-24-2014 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
While reading Hawking and Mlodinow's 'The Grand Design' I kept thinking that it was at least as much philosophy as it was science. I was expecting only science but found it to be an interesting read.
I have not read the book, but I heard WLC discuss it. Apparently the OP topic is also discussed in that book, and he does say there is a lot of philosophy.

WLC objects to Hawking's argument that God is not able to have been the cause since there was no time, by saying that the cause and effect are able to happen simultaneously. Gods creating the universe was co-incident with the universe coming into being, they occur together on the boundary of space time.

Here is the video if anyone is interested, but he is not kind to Hawking, so fair warning.
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06-25-2014 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude

Here is the video if anyone is interested, but he is not kind to Hawking, so fair warning.
Thanks for the link. This was a really high quality discussion.
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06-25-2014 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Thanks for the link. This was a really high quality discussion.
I enjoyed it, although it seems somewhat unfair to object to someone who is not there, and do not have the ability to defend themselves. Although, apparently an invitation was extended.
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06-26-2014 , 10:54 AM
You can't prove a creator doesn't exist. It's impossible. Those who say they can prove are idealistic persons who don't like uncertainty. It seems Hawking is one of them. You can say it's a high probability that a creator doesn't exist but you can't say it's 100% sure a creator doesn't exist.

It's possible it's not intelligent design but still a form of design. All people were created by their parents. But it was not an intelligent design, the parents have no control how their children would be like.

You can't even prove there is no life after death. Most of people either believe in life after death or are 100% sure there is no life after death. Unfortunately for people who hate uncertainty you can't 100% know there is no life after death.

As silly as the stories from the Bible are, you can't even be 100% sure the God's Bible doesn't exist. You can be over 99,99% sure, but not 100%.

You can't explain with logic the existence of our universe or the existence of God.
How can God existed forever? Or how can God created himself from nothing? How can our Universe created itself from nothing (logic says all things must have a begining and from nothing you can't create anything) and why it's not a chaotic universe (if something was created from nothing the chances are much bigger it will be something chaotic not something with laws)?
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06-26-2014 , 04:47 PM
Regarding the hill and the hole, Why didn't the hill immediately fill the hole or rather why didn't the energy and negative energy immediately cancel out since space was very tiny in the beginning?
Maybe this question is best posed in SMP.
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06-26-2014 , 06:40 PM
you seem to be considering energy and negative energy as behaving similar to matter and anti-matter, specifically that an interaction between the two will necessarily result in their mutual annihilation.

I don't think that is a correct analogy.

I think its more appropriate to consider them coexisting, or even existing sequentially.
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