Originally Posted by Original Position
Some people claim to experience the self. Others claim to not experience the self. We could explain this disagreement by saying that it is the result of actually different phenomenal experiences on the part of these two groups--essentially that all those who claim to not experience the self are "self-blind" (analogous to someone who is color-blind). In other words, they are missing some sensory faculty that other humans have that allows those humans to perceive the self.
Alternatively, we could say that this disagreement is the result of a disagreement about what an experience of the self is like. That is, the phenomenal experience of these two groups are the same, but how they interpret this experience is different. In other words, they disagree about what an experience of the self is like.
To me the latter explanation just seems much more likely.
The latter explanation does not explain anything to me.
I will be totally frank. When the subject of self-awareness first entered into a conversation for me was probably 40 years ago. I was immediately and intuitively aware of what the other person was talking about. In dozens of conversations since then the subject has come up in one way or another and I cannot recall a single instance when someone in a face to face discussion claimed not to understand what was being discussed and denied having such an experience. Until the discussion on this forum that prompted this poll.
There are two differences between all of those discussions and this format. First, the anonymity of the internet which separates people from the personal responsibility for their stated opinions. Second, those discussions to the best of my memory were mostly with graduate students in physics, chemistry or engineering. These could be with anyone.
I am surprised that 3 people chose "no". Given what I experience, there is no way that I could in good faith answer the poll with "No, I have no such experience and do not know what you are talking about". It is simply and completely incompatible with my experience and honesty. I do not know what else to say.
I can understand arguing and disagreeing about the significance of the experience, the origin of the experience, etc. That I have done many times. But the discussion always was conducted under the assumption that both parties knew what was being discussed.