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Old 11-25-2010, 02:50 PM   #1
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Seekers & those who study Gnosticism. Apotheosis is real.

Seekers & those who study Gnosticism. Apotheosis is real.

I have gone from a non believer to believer by way of my apotheosis.

The God I found has nothing to do with the God portrayed in the Bible.
That God may have initially been the Godhead I found but man has added all known attributes to it and made it the wish list God that it now is and to believe in it, you must believe in fantastic miracles and in an immoral God who would kill humans.
The Godhead is a cosmic consciousness and does not resemble that Bible God at all.

It is the epitome of knowledge and wisdom and give truth to the one part of the myth of Adam and Eve, who became as Gods, knowing good and evil. When you find access to the Godhead within yourself, you will know this to be true as you evolve yourself to a higher state of awareness and Godlikeness.

Gnostic thinking is the only way to achieve this wondrous goal and apotheosis or rapprochement to the Godhead is the only way to evolve your God within.

Keep an open mind and you are bound to find the key to open the communication with the Godhead. When you do so, know that your journey is not ending, it is beginning. Expect both pain and pleasure from the encounter. Follow the instruction that is given and you will know that it is what you need at that point in time.

I did not quite understand the message that I received on that day but having had many years to contemplate it and practice it has shown me the wisdom of it. I share it now with you and you will know that this is the instruction from the only Godhead of this world.

Think demographically.

Good luck and know that Gnosticism is the only worthy way of looking at religions or at any philosophy. Question everything.

The worth of Gnosticism is exemplified in this saying. Take heed of it.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white”
William Blake

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Confusing gnosticism with deism? As far as I know, Gnostics still believe the stories of the Ancient Testament to be true.

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Confusing gnosticism with deism? As far as I know, Gnostics still believe the stories of the Ancient Testament to be true.
Based on several posts Greatest seems to have a different definition of Gnosticism than that commonly associated with Christianity. From the way I have seen them use it, it seems to include almost all mystical paths that are not necessarily confined to any one organized religion. So, not sure how Gnostic Christians who believe the Bible is mostly true but the bad events are inspired by the Demiurge fit in.
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Based on several posts Greatest seems to have a different definition of Gnosticism than that commonly associated with Christianity. From the way I have seen them use it, it seems to include almost all mystical paths that are not necessarily confined to any one organized religion. So, not sure how Gnostic Christians who believe the Bible is mostly true but the bad events are inspired by the Demiurge fit in.
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Please try to keep posts pertinent to the thread topic. If you want a reply from Animefan about another thread just bump that thread. ty
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Based on several posts Greatest seems to have a different definition of Gnosticism than that commonly associated with Christianity. From the way I have seen them use it, it seems to include almost all mystical paths that are not necessarily confined to any one organized religion. So, not sure how Gnostic Christians who believe the Bible is mostly true but the bad events are inspired by the Demiurge fit in.
I agree. He seems to be using gnosticism as some form of pantheism. Also, I would disagree that "gnostic christians" is even a sensical term. That like saying "Islamic christians". Gnosticism borrowed from a bunch of different religions and traditions of that time, Christianity just happened to be one of them and it seems to me that because christianity is still around is the only real reason they are so closely associated. At least as far as I have read.
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I agree. He seems to be using gnosticism as some form of pantheism. Also, I would disagree that "gnostic christians" is even a sensical term. That like saying "Islamic christians". Gnosticism borrowed from a bunch of different religions and traditions of that time, Christianity just happened to be one of them and it seems to me that because christianity is still around is the only real reason they are so closely associated. At least as far as I have read.
Isn't Christian gnosticism differentiating itself by saying that Jesus is the son or an envoy of the Real God, while other gnosticism don't necessarily make that claim?

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So, not sure how Gnostic Christians who believe the Bible is mostly true but the bad events are inspired by the Demiurge fit in.
They believe everything to be true, but don't acknowledge the God of the Old Testament as the supreme deity.
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Confusing gnosticism with deism? As far as I know, Gnostics still believe the stories of the Ancient Testament to be true.
If so, why did Constantine's Church burn their scriptures and kill those who would not convert?

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Based on several posts Greatest seems to have a different definition of Gnosticism than that commonly associated with Christianity. From the way I have seen them use it, it seems to include almost all mystical paths that are not necessarily confined to any one organized religion. So, not sure how Gnostic Christians who believe the Bible is mostly true but the bad events are inspired by the Demiurge fit in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

There were as many Gnostic sects as there were Christian sects. They generally did not believe their own scriptures in a literal way and just used them for debate and to generate thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_meC...eature=related

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I agree. He seems to be using gnosticism as some form of pantheism. Also, I would disagree that "gnostic christians" is even a sensical term. That like saying "Islamic christians". Gnosticism borrowed from a bunch of different religions and traditions of that time, Christianity just happened to be one of them and it seems to me that because christianity is still around is the only real reason they are so closely associated. At least as far as I have read.
You may want to listen to the links above. Especially the second.

If you read Elaine Pagels, a Gnostic scholar, you will see her using the term Gnostic Christian. It is because that particular sect was quite large and they used the Bible as their tool for stimulating thought, argument and debate for insight.

This will give you an idea of their thinking.

http://www.gnosis.org/genesis.html

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Isn't Christian gnosticism differentiating itself by saying that Jesus is the son or an envoy of the Real God, while other gnosticism don't necessarily make that claim?



They believe everything to be true, but don't acknowledge the God of the Old Testament as the supreme deity.
I see the Gnostics as not believing in a Deity of any kind and remaining pure seekers until they forced their apotheosis. Only after contact with the Godhead do they believe in anything other than what can be known by the senses. Even then, he will recognize that there is nothing worth worshipping.
Nothing or no one is given a higher standard than man.

Who but man after all, can give voice to the thoughts of God.

BTW, there is still much confusion to what true Gnostics beliefs were.
They went from supermen to slaves to whoever wanted to learn.
Any true Gnostic who had an apotheosis though could not be moved from his beliefs because his faith was built on facts as compared to others whose beliefs were based on faith alone without facts.

Faith without facts. to them, was for fools.

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Is the idea no one but man in this universe can voice their thoughts about God faith based on fact?
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If so, why did Constantine's Church burn their scriptures and kill those who would not convert?

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Because it was a heresy.

BTW, you're confusing christian gnosticism with christian mysticism. Christian Gnostics still believe the miracles and all the things the demiurge did to have really happened. "Reading between lines" means finding clues as to the nature of the True God, not disbelieving what the demiurge accomplished.
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Show me how apotheosis is real.
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To summarize concisely the different available positions:

1) Deism, which tries to find God by rejecting the Bible entirely.
2) Christian Mysticism, which tries to reach God by reinterpreting the Bible mostly as a metaphor.
3) Christian Gnosticism, which considers the Demiurge (aka the AT's God) to be very real, but asserts there must be something more pure behind it.
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