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11-30-2010 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Idk. Maybe a bunch of life outside this earth or a dolphin. But i guess you somehow know no life except us in this universe can think and speak of God. So them are out.
You somehow know there is and you are right where I am wrong?
Wishful thinking and you are right of course.

Regards
DL
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11-30-2010 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
wat? How are you unable to "show how it is real at this point in time"? Show me a person that has accomplished apotheosis. Shouldn't be so difficult, if you claim that stuff happens.
What proof would you accept?
There can be no proof for this type of thing.

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DL
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11-30-2010 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
You somehow know there is and you are right where I am wrong?
Wishful thinking and you are right of course.

Regards
DL
No you are the one who knows there is no life in the universe which thinks of and talks about a God. I dont know either way. If i had to guess though i would say you are wrong and you definitely dont know.

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12-02-2010 , 09:58 AM
Ahhh....drug induced delusions of God...since you got stoned and challenged God and dreamed your answer then it must be true.

I once drank a bunch of Tequila and thought I was Superman....but you know what if I had jumped off a building, I would have died.
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12-02-2010 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
Unless you are willing to believe testimony without proof, there is no way to show how it is real at this point in time.
This has always been up front.

Regards
DL
Oh and your comment about always being up front....not true...you started this thread with the comment

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Seekers & those who study Gnosticism. Apotheosis is real.
But now you say you cannot prove it is real, but instead is simply the testimony of you the individual, who you have now stated came to you through a drug induced state.

Here try these videos out...cause I know you like videos and consider them the only evidence worthy of consideration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TfGD6CQs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_qWPMFr2w&NR=1
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12-06-2010 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
No you are the one who knows there is no life in the universe which thinks of and talks about a God. I dont know either way. If i had to guess though i would say you are wrong and you definitely dont know.
As I said. Your wishes are way more powerful and true than mine.

Regards
DL
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12-06-2010 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Jerry
Oh and your comment about always being up front....not true...you started this thread with the comment


But now you say you cannot prove it is real, but instead is simply the testimony of you the individual, who you have now stated came to you through a drug induced state.

Here try these videos out...cause I know you like videos and consider them the only evidence worthy of consideration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TfGD6CQs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_qWPMFr2w&NR=1
You know as little about psychotropic drugs as you do about most things we have discussed.
You should know that those types of drugs are enhancers and do not create the situations. That is quite common knowledge that you should have known.

I have forgiven you for being on the wrong side of the issue so let's move on and stop the lying please.

Regards
DL
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12-07-2010 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
As I said. Your wishes are way more powerful and true than mine.

Regards
DL
Wishings got noting to do with my posts. Though it does a little with yours.
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12-07-2010 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
You know as little about psychotropic drugs as you do about most things we have discussed.
You should know that those types of drugs are enhancers and do not create the situations. That is quite common knowledge that you should have known.

I have forgiven you for being on the wrong side of the issue so let's move on and stop the lying please.

Regards
DL
ummm considering psychotropic drugs include the categories of hallucinogens I would beg to differ greatly with your understanding of them. In that hallucinogens do not "enhance" but do "create" the situations.

Let me also state that psychotropic drugs include depressants which are really not "enhancers".

Other drugs considered psychotropic are alcohol. Even caffeine is working it's way into that classification. Why are these on here you ask....well if you really had a clue you would know that a psychotropic drug is any drug that alters or effects the mood, emotions, behavior, or the mind.

Most psychotropic drugs are used/created to help with the symptoms of some mental disorders, such as depression, anxiety, schizophrenia. They do this by reducing or increasing the effects of certain chemicals in the brain. Most are inhibitors in that they inhibit the production of a chemical, or inhibit that chemicals effects on the brain. So again no, most are not "enhancers" but inhibitors and reducers.

And to support what I have said:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publi...te-index.shtml
http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports...cription3.html
http://www.livestrong.com/article/18...e-human-brain/
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-psychotropic-drugs.htm
http://www.mhsanctuary.com/rx/medications.htm
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...ticlekey=30807

Now none of those are youtube videos so you might have to read some. However on the plus side, most all of them are from credible sources and not some guy in his garage making a youtube video.
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12-07-2010 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Jerry
ummm considering psychotropic drugs include the categories of hallucinogens I would beg to differ greatly with your understanding of them. In that hallucinogens do not "enhance" but do "create" the situations.

Let me also state that psychotropic drugs include depressants which are really not "enhancers".

Other drugs considered psychotropic are alcohol. Even caffeine is working it's way into that classification. Why are these on here you ask....well if you really had a clue you would know that a psychotropic drug is any drug that alters or effects the mood, emotions, behavior, or the mind.

Most psychotropic drugs are used/created to help with the symptoms of some mental disorders, such as depression, anxiety, schizophrenia. They do this by reducing or increasing the effects of certain chemicals in the brain. Most are inhibitors in that they inhibit the production of a chemical, or inhibit that chemicals effects on the brain. So again no, most are not "enhancers" but inhibitors and reducers.

And to support what I have said:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publi...te-index.shtml
http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports...cription3.html
http://www.livestrong.com/article/18...e-human-brain/
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-psychotropic-drugs.htm
http://www.mhsanctuary.com/rx/medications.htm
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...ticlekey=30807

Now none of those are youtube videos so you might have to read some. However on the plus side, most all of them are from credible sources and not some guy in his garage making a youtube video.
I have done my share of reading on that topic and will stick to the Bible of the drug business, the LeDain royal commission report.
It is the best of the many that I have read.

The drugs in question used as they are for social reasons would be poorly named indeed if they were named inhibitors and reducers.
Why anyone would want to reduce or inhibit the actions of socializing I can only guess but you go ahead and have your Xmas wine to inhibit or reduce your fun. I will use my wine as the enhancer that it is.

Regards
DL
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12-09-2010 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
I have done my share of reading on that topic and will stick to the Bible of the drug business, the LeDain royal commission report.
It is the best of the many that I have read.

The drugs in question used as they are for social reasons would be poorly named indeed if they were named inhibitors and reducers.
Why anyone would want to reduce or inhibit the actions of socializing I can only guess but you go ahead and have your Xmas wine to inhibit or reduce your fun. I will use my wine as the enhancer that it is.

Regards
DL
WHAT? LeDain...that 1970's report is again what you reference...Do you also stick to the idea that cigarettes really are harmless to your health as well, as that was the general attitude in 1970 too.

As to "drugs in question" no one is putting any drugs in question....you brought up some thing that talked about being drug induced...no specifics were mentioned...you then mentioned psychotropics....and tried to say they were strictly enhancers..which once again I showed you were very incorrect. And then you want to call LeDain the Bible of drugs....it is a report focused on marijuana...how can it be the Bible of drugs when it does not talk about cocaine, heroin, crystal, or the thousands of other drugs, even ibuprofen? Simple...it can't and once again your argument is pointless....maybe if you rolled another one you could come back out and type more clearly. I know the more I had the better I could think....darn...no sarcasm font.
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12-09-2010 , 01:54 PM
There are two sections to the LeDain royal commission report.
One strictly, almost on cannabis and the other main report that deals with most of the other social drugs because they found that many were involved in multi drug use and to exclude the others would be to only do half a job.

As far as it's age. 30 years later, LeDain said he still stood by it as conditions had not changed. Most worthy reports from the Indian hemp report of 1901, the UBC report of 1953 and Ledain's own report. All came down on legalzing cannabis.

As to your comment on nicotine, you must be dreaming.

It is my view that nicotine is the highest killer of the drug family followed by alcohol. In fact, if cannabis was given priority as our drug of choice and pitted against our two highest killers, many lives would be saved.

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98.n182.a01.html

http://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/publications/cannabis/bck/8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Dain...l_Use_of_Drugs


Regards
DL

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