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Old 08-18-2012, 08:31 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Religiosity down 9% since 2005. Non-religious/atheism grows.

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Atheism is growing strong. The more developed a nation the faster they seem to shake religion.

This is great news for a more rational future.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:45 AM   #2
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Yes, atheism is winning!!!
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:23 AM   #3
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Re: Religiosity down 9% since 2005. Non-religious/atheism grows.

Yeah the increase in atheism could be paralleling the rise of divorce rate and various intra conflict issues within families that disrupt society.

The best versions of faith grow over time through secure attachment and reflect infancy attachments to parents and when people's attachments are being assaulted in the home during infancy it's hard for them to develop this extra life attachment called faith that has been a stabilizing factor for so many generations of people for a really long time.

Of course, most people don't seem to have complete personal control of their attachment issues because a lot of attaching is done in infancy through parenting styles and normal life events so a lot of people don't know to investigate attachment issues.

People like to assume they rationalized their way to disbelief. They never realize human psychological factors (they never even knew to consider) may have been also been a determining factor.

People always overlook human psychology in favor of what they want to hear and propaganda (info through the media) has a reinforcing affect on that predisposition.

If people paid more attention to human psychology then nutcases like the Stalins and Hitlers of the world would never be tolerated let alone be allowed to rule anyone.

Didn't everyone think "Oh what an odd little man" about Hitler but they never studied him psychologically long enough. They fell for his smooth talk and the Nazi propaganda and his true motives and behaviors manifested themselves later on down the road but by then they were too fearful to get rid of the "odd little man".

More atheists should study the psychology of religion. Atheism could be hoodwinking them into a compliance they'll regret in the future or deny them self actualization. Most people don't even know they should be self actualizing.
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:11 PM   #4
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Re: Religiosity down 9% since 2005. Non-religious/atheism grows.

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Didn't everyone think "Oh what an odd little man" about Hitler but they never studied him psychologically long enough. They fell for his smooth talk and the Nazi propaganda and his true motives and behaviors manifested themselves later on down the road but by then they were too fearful to get rid of the "odd little man".
If you draw a line between yourself and another group your side of the line will never include propaganda or terrorists.
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:26 PM   #5
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Re: Religiosity down 9% since 2005. Non-religious/atheism grows.

No it will if you study human nature.

The insider terrorist is the one that hits home the most.

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I think that song is about not having lines.
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People always overlook human psychology in favor of what they want to hear and propaganda (info through the media) has a reinforcing affect on that predisposition.
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:43 PM   #8
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I think that song is about not having lines.
Sort of, but genes come through family lines also and some people have psychological conditions partially inherited from their genes that disrupt them from forming more secure infantile attachments.

A lot of things run deep that people don't have all the answers to.

But you can always go back and try to research your own attachment issues and identify what type of attachment pattern you formed in infancy.

I think faith is a way to help transcend that pattern though and go forward but some people might need a momentary trip backwards into old history to identify causation factors and overcome them.
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I think faith is a way to help transcend that pattern though and go forward but some people might need a momentary trip backwards into old history to identify causation factors and overcome them.
faith is just another attachment, go back to infancy trace its roots and you'll find thats all it is.
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faith is just another attachment, go back to infancy trace its roots and you'll find thats all it is.
Lol...attachments are the roots of success in this world.

These atheists are pretty darn intelligent they've ferreted out everything there is to know about religion and atheism except for their own attachment issues.

I'd let them use their intelligence to transcend life and research into these deepseated, early formative attachment issues. God does help us with these but disclosing them is hard. It requires a lot of personal information.

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Did anyone else read it like this:

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attachment ... attachments ... attachments ... attachment ... attachment ... attaching ... attachment
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We get it, you read an article on attachment theory. That doesn't make it relevant to every topic. I could be wrong, but aren't the more religious states the ones with the highest divorce rates? Obviously there are many confounding factors, but it should at least cast doubt on your theory.
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Lol...attachments are the roots of success in this world.
The only success you will see in this world is from division. When you look at the world as a whole all you will see is conflict.

Division is the root of the conflict.


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We get it, you read an article on attachment theory. That doesn't make it relevant to every topic. I could be wrong, but aren't the more religious states the ones with the highest divorce rates?
we can't use these kinds of stats because marriage is a religious belief.
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Did anyone else read it like this:



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We get it, you read an article on attachment theory. That doesn't make it relevant to every topic. I could be wrong, but aren't the more religious states the ones with the highest divorce rates? Obviously there are many confounding factors, but it should at least cast doubt on your theory.
Atheism could be from multiple causes but most likely has a root in infancy.

One of the biggies is early attachment formations.

Can't people start to do their own psychoanalysis like Freud though? Freud wasn't the product of a perfect environment but he managed to look into things even though he drew a few wrong conclusions.

They should start to investigate the reasons for atheism before labeling other people "delusional".

Hitler was pretty "delusional" and he labeled a lot of people without truly investigating their origins.

If he did he might have discovered a lot of the Ten Tribes of Israel's descendants were Germans.

Isn't what Hitler did to the Jews the most extreme form of sibling rivalry? Of course he didn't know the Jews were family.

Every group in the human race is family if we all came out of Adam and Eve.

It's most likely a psychological issue that atheists haven't ferretted out keeping them atheists.

God tries to simplify things by just calling people but some people won't obey. What makes people disobedient and/or rebellious? Isn't it a reaction based in parenting styles in part? Isn't teen rebellion a part of human nature but some people rebel a lot harder?

Why do people's dreams die? They shouldn't have to. People should always be able to self actualize and transcend or at least have a shot at it.

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The New Testament calls a self actualizer an "overcomer". Isn't the first obstacle anyone has to overcome himself?

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Re: Religiosity down 9% since 2005. Non-religious/atheism grows.

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Atheism could be from multiple causes but most likely has a root in infancy.

One of the biggies is early attachment formations.
Because you recently read about attachment theory, or for any real reason?
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Old 08-18-2012, 01:30 PM   #15
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Re: Religiosity down 9% since 2005. Non-religious/atheism grows.

Terrible poll questions. "convinced atheist" but not "convinced religious"? The wording seems to imply strong atheism, when really weak atheism is the better and more commonly held view. So I suspect if you didn't have this bias in there the atheism side would be a couple points higher and the not religious a bit lower. If you framed it as "I don't believe in god" than the word atheism it would be even higher.
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